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:::::::Ok, on the basis that you now want points addressed instead of avoided can you tell what any of this, ANY IF IT AT ALL, has to do with British support of the underdog, or the lack of such support?  You have sidetracked this into an attempted discussion of social mobility which has nothing to do with either the article nor with the points raised concerning the article. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 02:31, 9 February 2012 (EST)

:::::::Ok, on the basis that you now want points addressed instead of avoided can you tell what any of this, ANY IF IT AT ALL, has to do with British support of the underdog, or the lack of such support?  You have sidetracked this into an attempted discussion of social mobility which has nothing to do with either the article nor with the points raised concerning the article. [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 02:31, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Davidspencer, a society which is truly underdog friendly is going to: not have unnecessary structural impediments to achievement, have high expectations of its populace in terms of their moral, spiritual and intellectual development, instill a high work ethic and reward achievement to the highest degree possible. If it does this, it will equip people to move from underdog status to moving to a higher level of competence. Bottom line: The Germans, Scandinavians and many of the Asian societies are economically outperforming the Brits and many Brits appear to be wallowing in their underdog status plus your society has low social mobility. Here is what the Guardian said in 2005: "British productivity, or output per worker, remains slightly ahead of that of Germany but is still well adrift of the levels in France or the United States." Step up your game, British laggard underdogs! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:21, 9 February 2012 (EST)

Davidspencer, a society which is truly underdog friendly is going to: not have unnecessary structural impediments to achievement, have high expectations of its populace in terms of their moral, spiritual and intellectual development, instill a high work ethic and reward achievement to the highest degree possible. If it does this, it will equip people to move from underdog status to moving to a higher level of competence. Bottom line: The Germans, Scandinavians and many of the Asian societies are economically outperforming the Brits and many Brits appear to be wallowing in their underdog status plus your society has low social mobility. Here is what the Guardian said in 2005: "British productivity, or output per worker, remains slightly ahead of that of Germany but is still well adrift of the levels in France or the United States." Step up your game, British laggard underdogs! :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 04:21, 9 February 2012 (EST)

::::::Conservative, I do want to address your points but those are not always clear to me. I do agree with you on the fact that the UK has poor social mobility and that the US have a better social mobility than the UK and I really do agree that we live in a multi-variable world and that is exactly my point. I do not agree with your linking the social opportunities with religion and I believe I have provided more than enough evidence that those are not related.--[[User:PhilipN|PhilipN]] 00:19, 9 February 2012 (EST)

::::::Conservative, I do want to address your points but those are not always clear to me. I do agree with you on the fact that the UK has poor social mobility and that the US have a better social mobility than the UK and I really do agree that we live in a multi-variable world and that is exactly my point. I do not agree with your linking the social opportunities with religion and I believe I have provided more than enough evidence that those are not related.--[[User:PhilipN|PhilipN]] 00:19, 9 February 2012 (EST)