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::Although I see Britain less underdog friendly than many Western nations due to lower social mobility and higher social stratification (and gave strong evidential support for this), where there is support of underdogs in Britain I see the strongest factors being Christianity and British support for the personality trait of tenacity.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:05, 9 February 2012 (EST)
 
::Although I see Britain less underdog friendly than many Western nations due to lower social mobility and higher social stratification (and gave strong evidential support for this), where there is support of underdogs in Britain I see the strongest factors being Christianity and British support for the personality trait of tenacity.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:05, 9 February 2012 (EST)
 
:::Also, although I don't agree with much of the punk rock movement in Britain in the 1970s, one of the reasons why it took off was the issue of British social stratification. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:42, 9 February 2012 (EST)
 
:::Also, although I don't agree with much of the punk rock movement in Britain in the 1970s, one of the reasons why it took off was the issue of British social stratification. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:42, 9 February 2012 (EST)
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::::I know I said I was going to leave this discussion but I can't let that gem pass.  With that you have shown without doubt that do not, and never, have lived in the UK.  You are basing your view of punk, a <i>movement</i> that as you understand it started in the UK, on the US off shoot.  Punk in the UK originally had little to do with social stratification.  Trust me, I was there.  I bought the records, I went to the gigs and I knew some of the people in the bands.  Angry working class kids in general they most certainly were not.  The working class kids were still listening to Genesis and The Pink Floyd or going to discos listening to Donna Summer.  And we won't even get into the influence of the Dolls or Johnny T et al on both the UK punk movement and the eventual US punk scene.  [[User:Davidspencer|Davidspencer]] 02:23, 10 February 2012 (EST)
    
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