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→Definition STILL needed: cut and paste from User talk:Ed Poor
==Definition STILL needed==
==Definition STILL needed==
Ed Poor-- when you log on I hope you will finally be ready to put some definitions of 'political spectrum' on the political spectrum page. I have now written up three definitions of political spectrum, and provided three references supporting the one I think is most standard. RobS made some irrelevant criticisms of the three definitions, which I have rebutted. Nobody else has proposed any definition other than the ones I gave.
Ed Poor-- when you log on I hope you will finally be ready to put some definitions of 'political spectrum' on the political spectrum page. I have now written up three definitions of political spectrum, and provided three references supporting the one I think is most standard. RobS made some irrelevant criticisms of the three definitions, which I have rebutted. Nobody else has proposed any definition other than the ones I gave.
Also, I almost never use the word 'liberal' any more, because it is much too confusing. If I say it to an American, they think 'left'; but if I say it to a European, they think 'right' (and if I say it in a mixed group, well, nobody understands).
Also, I almost never use the word 'liberal' any more, because it is much too confusing. If I say it to an American, they think 'left'; but if I say it to a European, they think 'right' (and if I say it in a mixed group, well, nobody understands).
That's one of the things that disappoints me about Conservapedia. There are lots of contributors running around calling each other names, but many pages completely lack definitions. We need to DEFINE the words we use, so that we can have more civil and intelligent debates.
That's one of the things that disappoints me about Conservapedia. There are lots of contributors running around calling each other names, but many pages completely lack definitions. We need to DEFINE the words we use, so that we can have more civil and intelligent debates.---[[User:Redblue|Redblue ]]
:*Please don't think me rude in saying this, but poor Ed Poor is but one Sysop, although a highly valuable one! His "powers" are exactly the same as all of us who are Sysop's. Now, his abilities of persuasion, and communication, are in many cases, greater than the rest of us! ;-) --- Please don't be too impatient, as many things have been happening lately. The need for decision here is not on the "back burner", and is on our minds. --~ [[User:TK|TK]] <sup>[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]</sup> 08:02, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
:*Please don't think me rude in saying this, but poor Ed Poor is but one Sysop, although a highly valuable one! His "powers" are exactly the same as all of us who are Sysop's. Now, his abilities of persuasion, and communication, are in many cases, greater than the rest of us! ;-) --- Please don't be too impatient, as many things have been happening lately. The need for decision here is not on the "back burner", and is on our minds. --~ [[User:TK|TK]] <sup>[[User_talk:TK|MyTalk]]</sup> 08:02, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
:I set up the subpages and templates with you specifically in mind, RB. (May I call you RB?) You are the best organized writer on the topic. I couldn't have an edit war, or take part in one, and I suddenly thought of a possible way out. I need to write this up at [[Conservapedia:Partial page protection]].
:Nobody should have to give their political credentials, but that's how it is in this country: everyone wants to label you and pigeonhole you ... which leads us right back to the topic! :-)
:Sorry about my big reversion. I didn't actually delete anything, it's all in the [[page history]], but I definitely got the message about how upsetting it was. I spent a lot of time setting it up so that we can get back on track and not have any more edit wars on the topic. I hope it works out.
:I daresay a lot of politics is (as you suggest) simply [[name calling]]. Dukakis is "a [[Liberal]]". Bush is "an [[idiot]]". The Israeli prime minister is "a [[Nazi]]." The [[contras]] were "[[terrorist]]s". Etc. Do these terms actually mean anything? Linguists make a distinction between the [[denotation]] and [[connotation]] of a word. Would you rather have a segment of muscle tissue from an immature castrated bull, or a "nice thick juicy steak"?
:RobS is right: the political spectrum is supposed to classify every single political position. However, where everybody goes wrong is in thinking that this is actually possible. It's not the right tool for job, and you'll go crazy trying to make this square peg fit into the round hole. "I have to, but I can't," as [[Brian Tracy]] puts it.
:I disagree with using the term ''theory'' in connection with the spectrum. There's no theory without an explanation (see [[theory and fact]], an article which I recently started).
:And now I come to the main point, which is that some people resist being called "right-wing" because it associates them with [[Adolf Hitler]], the world's most universally despised man. I'd be better off calling you a 'mofo' or Obama a [[Nigger|n****]], because, "Son, them's fightin' words!"
:Sure, we need a definition, but these political labels don't have any actual definitions, and we would be false to our readers to pretend (1) that they have definite meaning or (2) that any of us here are capable of saying what those meanings are.
:The word [[Conservative]] implies standing up for traditional institutions and values; whether that is a noble of foolish thing to do is anyone's guess. To an opponent of slavery and racism, tearing down such institutions and values would be more respectable than preserving them. To an antebellum Southern gentleman, the opposite would hold.
:Civility comes from within, but intelligence can be developed on the foundation of reliable and trustworthy knowledge.
:I have replied to you at length, because you are a valuable contributor and this is but the '''easiest''' of a whole slew of '''really tough''' issues we are going to face. We need to stick together and help each other. --[[User:Ed Poor|Ed Poor]] 10:16, 11 April 2007 (EDT)