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→Cold Fusion.: Is this really a good example of "structural problems on Wikipedia"?
:::I just noticed [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:2012_Summer_Olympics&oldid=998460#Proposed_table_entry this]. I hadn't looked at the history of [[Bias in Wikipedia]]. It was a coincidence that the netball thing leaped out at me, I really was looking for criticism of "structural problems." --[[User:Abd|Abd]] 14:44, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
:::I just noticed [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:2012_Summer_Olympics&oldid=998460#Proposed_table_entry this]. I hadn't looked at the history of [[Bias in Wikipedia]]. It was a coincidence that the netball thing leaped out at me, I really was looking for criticism of "structural problems." --[[User:Abd|Abd]] 14:44, 5 August 2012 (EDT)
::::No offense taken. I think that so long as LauraHale insists on the Wikipedia Netball article being in the category "Olympic sports" and not in the category "Olympic-recognized sport" she is POV pushing in the extreme. Also, her claims that she (who was raised in Illinois and currently studies in Australia) does not have to follow the rules of grammar because special (undocumented) rules of grammar apply to New Zealand-related articles is very strange. When challenged by a number of editors, she goes running to the gendergap mailing list claiming sexism. Although the Malawi photo was eventually removed, the structural problems remain. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:53, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
::::No offense taken. I think that so long as LauraHale insists on the Wikipedia Netball article being in the category "Olympic sports" and not in the category "Olympic-recognized sport" she is POV pushing in the extreme. Also, her claims that she (who was raised in Illinois and currently studies in Australia) does not have to follow the rules of grammar because special (undocumented) rules of grammar apply to New Zealand-related articles is very strange. When challenged by a number of editors, she goes running to the gendergap mailing list claiming sexism. Although the Malawi photo was eventually removed, the structural problems remain. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. [[User:Wschact|Wschact]] 12:53, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
:::::I hope you understand that if this is the worst problem on Wikipedia, that site would have to be considered ''phenomenally'' successful.
:::::I don't see that LauraHale is responsible for the category for the WP Netball article. She last edited the article 26 June, and it wasn't about that. In addition, it's not uncommon that articles follow local grammar and spelling. Wikipedia has not adopted one English-speaking nation's grammar and spelling as a standard. What LauraHale does off-wiki, unless coordinated editing is shown, is irrelevant. I rather doubt that many would get excited and pile in over "Olympic sport" vs. "Olympic-recognized sport" as categories. Your argument here is ad-hominem. Looking at the Netball article Talk page, I see no discussion of the category. That is where, if there were really problems, they would normally be discussed and resolved. There is a basis for your assertion, but also one for hers. These are things to be worked out by editorial consensus.
:::::Looks like LauraHale added the cat [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=419783048&oldid=419772757 March 20, 2011]. Reverted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=419788205&oldid=419783048 an hour later], not replaced with "recognized" category. Undone about [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=419839033&oldid=419788205 six hours later] by Hawkeye7. Both reverts were without comment.
:::::[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=420413965&oldid=420276111 24 March, 2011], Racepacket removed the category, did not replace it with the "recognized" category. Reverted promptly by LauraHale. Racepacket again removed it, the same, [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Netball&diff=422558015&oldid=422515972 April 5]. Hawkeye7 reverted. It seems to be stable since then, more than a year ago. Now, I come to find [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Racepacket#Modified_by_motion the ArbComm case]. Wschact, you have a ''very high level of knowledge about LauraHale,'' very unusual. I see that Racepacket was banned by motion at [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Motions&direction=prev&oldid=476327349#User:Racepacket], based on Arbitration Enforcement at [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement&oldid=476133818#Racepacket]. This is an unusual case, because the allegedly offensive behavior was on another WMF wiki. However, it's not unheard of. Harassment elsewhere based on Wikipedia conflict is sometimes used as the basis for sanctions.
:::::What's the "structural problem" here? I agree that Wikipedia has structural problems. However, this seems to be an accusation against a specific user, not a structural consideration at all. The issue mentioned could very likely be resolved using ordinary and simple processes. The argument against "Olympic sport" is not unreasonable, though I don't find the final conclusion obvious. I see no evidence that discussion was tried. Instead, revert warring. If you are going to revert war, you'd better have some support!
:::::There is bias on Wikipedia. However, the issue I'd suggest you look at, for [[Bias in Wikipedia]], is whether or not that content about the Great Netball Problems is helping Conservapedia. Focusing on trivial errors or minor differences of opinion weakens the presentation of any serious concern there. --[[User:Abd|Abd]] 19:40, 9 August 2012 (EDT)
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