Talk:Christian Nationalism
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"historical and traditional teaching of Jesus Christ" No. Christians are told to acknowledge separation of church and state (Mark 12:17) and that Jesus's kingdom is not of this world (John 18:36). The whole essence of "Christian Nationalism" is attempting to institute a Christian utopia in this sinful mortal world via enforcing "biblical" dogmas from the civil power. Jesus and the Apostles taught no such thing. Did Paul tell the Roman Gentile converts in the Epistle to the Romans to go out and influence the government of Pagan Rome so it can promulgate Christian values? No!
The church fathers? Who? The Apostolic Fathers or the Nicene-era Fathers?
The Great Commission has nothing to do with taking over secular governments and turning them into mouthpieces for "Christian" doctrine. There is not one verse in the entire New Testament where the Apostles advocate such a theocratic ideology. If antiquity (plus the 1,260 years of sheer papal rule) has proven anything, it is that theocracy destroys humanity rather than uplifting it. The early Zionist ultranationalists, whose concept of theocracy, liberty, and "rebellion = godliness," and who were antithetical to Jesus (remember, many of the Jews thought the Messiah would overthrow the Romans and establish a Jewish utopia on Earth), parallels modern-day "Christian Nationalism"—history isn't kind to infamous rebels Judas of Galilee and Simon bar Kokhba, nor will it be to Donald Trump and "right-wing" populists. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 11:32, September 11, 2023 (EDT)
Women Voting
The major disagreement I have Biblically with Christian nationalists concerns women voting. They make an issue of women not supposed to teach according to 1 Timothy 2:12. Thing is, the word translated woman there should have been translated wife, not woman. It's the Greek word gune which is translated wife 92 of 221 times in the KJV.[1]
There are cases Biblically of women leading nations (Deborah - Judges 4), of women prophesying (Philip's seven daughters - Acts 21:9), producing some of the major hymns/praises to GOD in the Bible (Miriam - Exodus 15; Mary - Luke 1; Deborah - Judges 5; Hannah - 1 Samuel 2), and of teaching one of the great leaders of the early Church (Priscilla with her husband Aquilla teaching Apollos - Acts 18). Clearly there are cases where women Biblically made a difference in Israel or the early Church, so the Paul teaching should be understood as not affecting virgins or widows. Widows in fact were a part of Church leadership whose requirements rivaled those of Bishops and Deacons, see 1 Timothy 5, and caring for widows was a major issue for the early Church (Acts 6).
Ultimately, Republicans were the main ones who gave women the right to vote in 1919 with the 19th Amendment, more Democrats voted against the 19th Amendment than Republicans. As a diehard conservative historical Republican, I take seriously defending the right of women to vote and disagree with the Christian nationalists on this subject. --Joshua Zambrano (talk) 22:49, November 29, 2025 (EST)
