Talk:First Epistle of John (Translated)
Comma Johanneum
I find it interesting that the Comma Johanneum has already disappeared from the King James Version, as transcribed here. I'm not saying it belongs in the Conservative Bible Project, as it has virtually NO textual support. But it is sometimes been seen as a litmus test for fundamentalist KJV-Only people. Of course, no one here is a KJV-Only, or you wouldn't be working on a new translation project such as this one. I would say there could be a footnote on 1 John 5:7, just to avoid complaints about the "missing verse." Is any footnote being provided for the Pericope Adulterae in John 8? If not, then I guess we wouldn't really need a footnote on this one.--Cory Howell 14:33, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
1:2 I think the part about affirming a creed is a bit too interpretive. I really like the renderings in the later verses about being part of a community, rather than the somewhat archaic term "fellowship." But affirming a creed is quite different from being a witness, which is what 1:2 is talking about here.--Cory Howell 14:45, 22 October 2009 (EDT)
- Absolutely there should be a footnote; in fact I'm pretty upset at SRFoster for removing it. We DON'T MODIFY THE KJV! I'll put it back immediately. JacobB 16:05, 4 March 2010 (EST)
Original text didn't include Comma Johanneum?
Um, yeah, I don't think so. There are some who more or less claim Erasmus invented the clause, and yet it's found in the Tyndale Bible. And it couldn't have been invented by a heretic after the second century, because the Vaudois Bible, dating back to 157 A.D., contained the Johannine Comma! According to Theodore Beza, the Waldensians finished translating their Bible in 157 A.D. after obtaining manuscripts from Antioch missionaries in the 120s.
Now yes, the full verse is absent from a ton of Greek manuscripts. Does this mean those Greek manuscripts thereby prove Comma Johannine doesn't belong? No, because the clause was intentionally removed—the Eastern church in antiquity faced the Sabellian heresy, which used Comma Johanneum to promulgate the bizarre claim that the Father suffered on the cross. Thus, the Greek church expediently denied the validity of 1 John 5:7–8 to undermine Sabellianism. It's kind of like how some people omit Pericope Adulterae from the Fourth Gospel to expediently undermine a liberal distortion of Scripture. —LT Rev. 22:13 Sunday, 00:11, October 22, 2023 (EDT)
