Talk:Overcoming homosexuality

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"Today people still report leaving homosexuality and becoming heterosexuals through their Christian faith."

I propose changing the wording to reflect the idea that some ex-homosexuals simply become sexually inactive, or effectively asexual. DanH 00:24, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Also, has anyone left homosexuality due to another faith? Islam, for instance? They have some pretty harsh anti-homosexual laws.Maestro 01:11, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Well, the President of Iran claims there are no homosexuals in his country, so apparently it has occurred. ;-) Learn together 01:28, 30 November 2007 (EST)

The Apostle Paul says that celibacy is no better nor worse than marriage, so it should be clear that lifelong celibacy is an option. DanH 12:24, 30 November 2007 (EST)

Dissenting views

The point I made wasn't unreasonable. I thought the whole idea of a free form wiki that everyone can edit is that one person doesn't claim ownership of articles. I say this from experience in Wikipedia (Which I have left) and Citizendium. MarcusCicero 22:07, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Mr.Conservative, have you ever met a Homosexual? Just curious. Reasonableperson 18:38, 11 December 2007 (EST)

Just wondering

As I know, there is no scientifical evidences that homosexuality is a decease. So in my opinion, "Overcoming homosexuality" seems to be nonsense, as it cannot be done; a homosexual can tell that (s)he has "converted", but I doubt that it can be possible. Two possible explainations for the experiences from the people in the article:

  1. They thought they were homosexuals, but in fact, they were heterosexual or bisexual all the time, and "overcame" homosexuality.
  2. The reactions for their new lifestyle were so bad that they simply "redecided", and tried to just turn back to normal life again, by saying that they "overcame" homosexuality.

Please don't take this as sign of war or something, I just need to clear this out, as this (following the slogan) is the trustworthy encyclopedia, and it at the same time tends to contain material that is more or less wrong; following rule 1 on this wiki's commandments: "Everything you post must be true and verifiable." Efloean 14:15, 28 August 2008 (EDT)

There is verifiable evidence that prayer is a powerful means of overcoming homosexuality and sinful lifestyle habits. Please do not cast aspersions on the trustworthiness of Conservapedia. Disruptive behaviour is not tolerated here. Bugler 04:50, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
I don't say that Conservapedia is untrustworthy, I just try to bring up stuff that I'm wondering about. If you believe that "curing" homosexuality is possible, I would like to see sources/references (preferably scientifical), as you say "There is verifiable evidence that prayer is a powerful means of overcoming homosexuality and sinful lifestyle habits." I see a lot of references to different verses in the Bible (and to things said by the ex-homosexuals), but nothing that can explain it exept religion. I would suggest to change it to more like a theory, or something like "Overcoming homosexuality is a widely accepted possibility among Christians, and there are many examples of homosexuals becoming heterosexual or living in celibate." What do you think? Efloean 13:42, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
There are plentiful examples of cures of homosexuality being effected through prayer. As a new editor, you might like to research these and write an article about it. Bugler 15:22, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
I think I keep stuck to things I know more about (as geography, politics and history), I just came across this article, and though it is a subject I know very little about, something told me that the style it is written in is too inflected by personal opinions (I have actually not heard anyone say to me in person that overcoming homosexuality is possible), and the statements in the article are not affirmed by any agreeing scientists etc. I'm not here to make trouble, I just want to point out that this and many other articles have many weaknesses: Lack of references to agreeing scientists and specialists are often weakening the article's trust – maybe not for everyone, but to most experienced wiki contributors it is striking. Efloean 15:38, 29 August 2008 (EDT)
Conservapedia is intended first and foremost as an educational and moral resource for young people. We value conciseness with accuracy, rather than the endless talk, talk practiced by some so-called online encyclopaedias. You can trust what is written in that article. Bugler 15:43, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

It sounds like his major gripe is that the only evidence being presented is anecdotal by "ex-homosexuals" and quotations from the Bible. Honestly, if this is so, he does have a point. And I do not think he is being disruptive. He's being critical (which is a neutral term) and. well. thinking critically. That's ultimatly a good thing.Jros83 23:37, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

I definitly agree with you, but it isn't that easy when I can't even reply to your answer because my account was blocked for editing the article ... If my edits are not welcome, I want to see what rules I have broken. Efloean 10:15, 2 September 2008 (EDT)
Efloean, I was just wondering, did you attend a public school? The reason I ask is because the the word is spelled "disease" and not "decease". By the way, are you an atheist? Are you able to spell the words atheism, atheist, and atheists? I have noticed that Conservapedia atheists often have great difficulty spelling these words. No doubt they attended a public school which indoctrinates schoolchildren into liberalism and atheistic ideologies instead of helping them to master basic skills such as addition and spelling. Conservative 20:26, 24 December 2011 (EST)

You are basically fucking endorsing torture that results in queer teenagers committing suicide. If you continue to promote this, more teens will die. So delete this fucking piece of homophobic transphobic pseudoscientific bullshit.


Testimony of total reversal of a homosexual compulsion:

I was raised in a flawless Christian home, carefully protected from outside evil and carefully trained in God's word by dedicated parents, homeschooled to keep me clean of evil influences from society and other children. But in spite of the perfection which should have left me clear of any moral issues, at 13 and on I got saddled with a same sex internal lust drive that was relentless and impossible to defeat by any self discipline. I fought it relentlessly and prayed for victory endlessly with no relief for 33 years. Didn't get married because that just wouldn't have worked, I had no desire for a woman. But due to my biblical foundation I refused to open up, openly identify as gay and involve any other men, so it all got internalized and hidden. I kept trying to figure out where it might have come from, what caused it to get started? but always came up blank. My early life was too pure protected and flawless. Finally I realized nothing was working to fix it, I thought it would take a miracle of God's power to change me to normal, as I knew it was sin and had to be overcome to get to heaven. And so at about 46 years of age switched my prayer a bit and just threw the whole mental mess on Him. Immediately God started leading me on a course of discovery that revealed exactly what it was that caused it to arise as a young person and how to reverse program my own mind to delete the issue. The mychainsaregone.org articles revealed the basic concept, that plus my own experience revealed that we've actually been throwing the door wide open to both same sex and cross sex lust addictions for our young people by one small element of our completely moral lifestyle that we do, which we think is protecting them from immorality. While totally blind to what we've been doing. It's a very easy thing to do and very pleasant and enjoyable, but can be hard to do in the current social climate just because it involves a socially forbidden thing. Just simply start going naked and intentionally ignoring it, think about and do anything else until I almost forget I'm not wearing anything. Had to do it in isolated work in the forest and garden and recreation, hiking etc. As the conscious mind is trained to see myself and others naked and ignore it as part of the background scene of common life, it reacts on the subconscious carnal force and it is also trained or reconditioned to ignore the body and stop making it a lust inspiring sight. By practising that for months up to over a year as much as possible, the same sex lust drive steadily weakened until one day it just dropped out of my mind completely. Then I realized that it was my parents rigorous dressing agenda as a child, thinking to thereby protect me from developing immoral views, never allowing me to see them naked in common life and conditioning my mind to ignore it as nothing, that caused my subconscious carnal drive to turn the body into porn and a lust addiction. The same reconditioning plan works for all kinds of sexual lust addictions and body insecurity issues. I have written up my own story in a 9 page document, detailing what happened to me and how I discovered what the solution is. anyone want it emailed to them send me a message on FB. I'm Reuben Titus with the horse.