Talk:Video game controversy

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As I get banned every single time I post a countering viewpoint related to this issue... can we please have some balance here? An article saying games don't cause mass murders? A BoJ graph saying that gun violence has gone down as game popularity goes up? Please? Barikada 01:22, 24 January 2008 (EST)

What I don't understand is why you seem to think gun violence is the only type of violence in existence. Jinxmchue 13:11, 24 January 2008 (EST)
I agree with you, Barkikada, but the specific wording you used is a bit shaky, because there's no evidence of a causal link between increased violence in video games and a decrease of gun crimes. I have rewritten it (along with the first sentence, which without suggestion of a causal link was a non-sequiter) and linked to data which breaks down gun crimes by age group. Is this more agreeable Jinxmchue? HelpJazz 13:50, 24 January 2008 (EST)
Thanks. There's also no proof that playing video games makes you a murderer... but that's not going to stop some people from claiming the same. Barikada 15:42, 24 January 2008 (EST)
Oddly enough, that depends on the video game. For example, many of the people who defended Grand Theft Auto to the death (figuratively speaking) were quick to condemn Left Behind: Eternal Forces (even though the rumors of violence in Eternal Forces were greatly exaggerated). Jinxmchue 09:37, 26 January 2008 (EST)
People said that the Left Behind game was too violent, but GTA wasn't? I never played the Left Behind because, uh, actually I didn't know there was one until I heard about it on Conservapedia. I don't think it was ever that popular ;-) HelpJazz 11:18, 26 January 2008 (EST)
Yes. People dismissed the complaints against the violence in GTA, but embraced the made-up claims of violence in Eternal Forces. People who wouldn't touch boycotts or bans normally quickly jockeyed for position to call for Walmart and other stores to remove Eternal Forces from their shelves. Jinxmchue 22:32, 26 January 2008 (EST)
That was mostly because Eternal Forces was a Christian game, and therefore should not be glorifying violence. Grand Theft Auto on the other hand... Well, look at the title! Barikada 22:34, 26 January 2008 (EST)
But that's exactly the point. Eternal Forces doesn't glorify violence at all. GTA does. Guess which one the liberals viciously and falsely attacked as "promoting violence" and wanted to have pulled from stores. And guess which one they defended and hollered "censorship" when others said it should be pulled from stores. Jinxmchue 15:40, 27 January 2008 (EST)
I don't agree that Eternal Forces should be pulled, nor do I think GTA should. But really, when you buy a game with a crime as it's name, do you expect fluffy kittens and vanilla skies?
Aside from that: Yes, because it was only liberals saying this and not concerned Christians. On the same note, no conservative organisation would ever find one minute of [partial nudity] and claim the game was a 30-hour graphic sex simulator. Definately not Fox vs. Mass Effect. Barikada 15:43, 27 January 2008 (EST)
Actually, I think you'll find that's due to claims of racism, sexism, and other forms of bigotry in the game, not the violence (I have not played it myself, so I do not know if these claims are true), and the relative lack of popularity is down to it being...well...not very good, basically. Zmidponk 17:24, 27 January 2008 (EST)

Added content pertaining to the Hot Coffee Scandal and the Manhunt 2 worrys, as well as a small spot about Virginia Tech. All of these events have dealt some blows to the gaming industry. People need to understand that the ESRB ratings are there for a reason. Maybe if Parents wouldn't give their kids 'GTA 4' for Christmas, they won't have to complain when little Johnny starts sealing cars. And the link between violence and video games is negligible. For example, millions of people play CounterStrike all over the world. Most of them are stable, sane people.

And I will state, here and now, that I take personal offense to anyone who says that gamers are violent, unstable people. I have friends and family who play games, and they are stable, healthy people with good family lives and values. CodyH 07:11 28 January 2008 [CST]

Washington Post Article about Virginia Tech

I couldn't find the original Virginia Tech article in the Washington Post (the one that mentions Counter-Strike), so if anyone happens to know a place where the full article is residing, feel free to replace the relevant reference with a link to that. Urushnor 20:31, 14 February 2008 (EST)

Some comment

I removed this: "No official link has been established by any investigating organization on this matter, however, and the link between violence and video games remains speculation." from the page because it was added by a vandal that changed the video link to an unrelated one, but the thing I quoted does seem a bit biased to me. Was I right in removing it?

Well, I'll remove it shortly if nobody objects. WilliamH 20:45, 13 April 2008 (EDT)