Talk:Michael T. Flynn

Why is it the people who spark the most controvercy, the people Democrats say aren't fit to serve, are all Democrats? --Flynn, Kushner, and Mnuchin? RobS^{The coup plotters won, for now}`

That's a fascinating observation, Rob.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 09:28, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

Call for a major edit.

Mike Flynn is a fraud through and through. He is either a closet globalist, or a "bad" nationalist. Do recall that this website's article on "nationalism" states that there are both good and bad kinds of nationalism. Let me tell you what is wrong with Mike Flynn.

He lied to us repeatedly that he had "defected" from the establishment and were willing to help us in the battle against Islamism. Up until shortly after the election, I believed him.

But then it came out that he was on Erdogan's payroll. I immediately stopped supporting him afterward, because only fools and malcontents would be on the payroll of someone as evil as Erdogan. I repeatedly pointed out whose side he were on, and for a while, I was called every name in the book by fellow Trump supporters for it. But eventually, more and more caught on. Because once again, we're not as stupid as the establishment thinks.

Now, at first I couldn't understand why the man who wrote "The Field of Fight" would do such a thing. But after the Qatar crisis broke out and the subsequent Saudi-Turkish split took place, I figured it out.

Flynn only opposes Islamism of the Wahhabbi and Iranian variants. He doesn't mind Islamism of the Ottoman variant. That is why he doesn't bother to address Erdogan and his fanaticism in "The Field of Fight." Hell, he place more emphasis on Russia being an enemy than he does on Turkey being an enemy in that book, and considering that he was trying to forge friendly relations with Russia, that's saying a lot. That is also why he continued to refer to Turkey as an ally even after Erdogan openly admitted to having supported Wahhabism as part of his greater pan-Islamic strategy. Erdogan supported them because, in his own words, "they said Allah."

Now, let me guess why Flynn find the Ottoman variant of Islamism so appealing. Is it because it opposes the other two variants of Islamism that also spread worldwide terrorism, AND because it allows the establishment of client states that keep their non-Muslim culture and their heritage, so long as they support the jihad their Turkish masters wage against their common enemies?

Is Flynn saying to us, "Yes, submit to Erdogan. Recognize him as the Caliph. Support his jihad. As a reward for your loyalty to him, he will destroy your Saudi and Iranian enemies, and will bring all the Muslims back so they can live in the paradise he has created for them. And you will be left alone with your Western culture."? If so, he is a sick man.

Notice in the previous quote, I put in "left alone with your Western culture," and not "left alone with your Judeo-Christian culture" or even "left alone with your Christian culture." That wasn't an accident. Because an Ottoman client state would be anything but Christian in practice. If Erdogan ruled the world, he would have every single Catholic, Orthodox Christian, and Jew killed. They are the "Zionist-Crusader alliance," after all. The only "people of the Book" Erdogan would spare would be the Protestants. Why? Because Protestantism is based on personal interpretations of Scripture, as opposed to the guidance of a universal clergy. Why do you think many Protestant sects are beginning to embrace leftist ideals such as gay marriage today? And let's not forget the Church of England, which is now enforcing Sharia Law, IN ITS OWN SCHOOLS.

I'm sure Erdogan would LOVE to see America bend over backwards like that. "Sure, there won't be any Muslim migration, but they are bending over for me so often that they might as well be honorary Muslims. And perhaps they will convert to become actual Muslims eventually! EVENTUALLY! MWAHAHAHAHA! ALLAHU FUBAR!"

Well, we're not doing that. We're smarter than the establishment, and we're not gonna put up with frauds like Flynn any longer. And quite frankly, neither is Trump. That's why the many traitors supposedly "working" for him in the White House like Tillerson, McMaster, Kelly, and Mattis are coordinating to make sure he is restrained from doing what he must do: contain and destroy ALL forms of Islamism. And perhaps THAT is why Flynn now chooses to throw Trump under the bus. THAT is why he lied first to Pence and then to the FBI, and got himself indicted. To set Trump up. As revenge for Trump refusing to play the game Flunn wanted him to play, and instead turning America against Flynn's master, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a man so loathsome that Steve Bannon is now calling HIM a greater threat to America than Iran, North Korea, Russia, and even China!!!

You know, the left is bragging about how Flynn is going to be convicted of treason, or some crap like that, the left is largely incoherent these days. But after his dual loyalty to this wannabe Caliph was exposed, I hope to God that DOES happen.

I take a different view. It appears there are people in the US intelligence community & Western alliance who are trying to cultivate the Gulenist movement, long term, as an counterpart to the Muslim Brotherhood. We definitely need an article on Gulen and the movement. Flynn is old school, wants to maintain the NATO alliance with a secular Turkish regime, and improve relations between Russia & NATO. While this view has lost out for now in Trump's first term, like Nixon, improving relations with Russia would be a top priority in a second term. Putin may even be gone after next year. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 06:25, 3 December 2017 (EST)

I don't trust the Gulenist movement at all. If Erdogan were replaced with Gulen, the new regime would arguably be just as bad, if not worse than the old one. Much like how Trotsky likely would have been just as bad, if not worse than Stalin had he won the power struggle between them. That being said, there is ZERO excuse for Flynn to be taking money from Erdogan and then publicly shilling for him as if he were a saint. It's a shame that most people aren't aware of just how dangerous Erdogan really is.

This man has been plotting to create a super-caliphate that would be the Second Ottoman Empire for over forty years. As far back as the 1970s, he was organizing public events that were filled to the brim with pro-Islamist propaganda and were so anti-Semitic that you'd swear he memorized Mein Kampf (did I mention he publicly praised Adolf Hitler in a speech just last year?) word for word before getting to work. He also served as a leader of two different Islamist political parties (the Islamic National Salvation Party and the Welfare Party) during the 1980s and 1990s. In 1994, he was elected mayor of Istanbul on a pro-Sharia platform. Once in office, he initially attempted to govern more moderately, but he couldn't help himself, and was eventually forced to resign after being sentenced to ten months in prison (of which he served only four months) for publicly inciting pro-Islamist violence following the 1997 military coup. Gee. Doesn't that sound familiar? After being released from prison, he founded a new party, the Justice and Development Party (the AKP), and was elected PM in 2003.

Since 2003, Erdogan has slowly transformed Turkey from the secular paradise that Flynn talks about, into a totalitarian, neo-Islamist dictatorship, where it's not uncommon to hear about violent, government-sponsored attacks on the Kurdish minority and on opposition outlets. In addition, Erdogan has drastically changed Turkey's foreign policy. Before he came to power, Turkey was a reliable American ally that pursued a largely isolationist (with a few exceptions, such as with Cyprus and Armenia) foreign policy outside of NATO affairs. Today, Erdogan's Turkey is a reliable supporter of global jihadist groups like al-Qaeda and ISIS. Erdogan's Turkey is becoming increasingly militaristic, regularly threatening to invade Syria and Iraq in order to "protect" ethnic "Turkmen" (in spite of Russian and Iranian attempts to appease Erdogan by allowing him to participate in the Syrian peace process). Notice I say "Turkmen" because these people are not Turkish. Erdogan is a pan-Turkic nationalist as well as an Islamist, and wants to unite the Caucasus and Central Asia under his leadership. This policy includes forging alliances with Turkish ultranationalist groups such as the Grey Wolves (which has been linked to many terrorist plots -- including the 1981 failed assassination attempt on Pope John Paul II -- and today try to incite ethnic violence in European countries with large ethnic Turkish populations). Erdogan's Turkey is vehemently anti-Israel, having given aid to Hamas and even publicly threatened to attack Israel on at least one occasion. Erdogan has also blamed the Jews for domestic opposition to his policies, as well as for the 2013 military coup in Egypt. Erdogan's Turkey is vehemently anti-Catholic, having declared on more than one occasion that the European Union is part of a Vatican conspiracy to destroy Turkey through another Crusade. Erdogan has also publicly called for a "breeding war" in Europe to ensure that Turkish Muslims eventually take control of the continent, in retaliation for this "conspiracy." In November 2015, Erdogan's Turkey almost started World War III after the Turkish military shot down two Russian fighter jets over Syrian territory on false pretenses. Erdogan's Turkey is a major sponsor of the Muslim Brotherhood and its agents that are trying to hijack American foreign policy, who threatened to assassinate President Trump after the Qatar crisis began. Erdogan's Turkey is trying to take control of $2.3 trillion in banking assets, presumably in order to fund its economy in military by 2023, the year that many (including Steve Bannon and Walid Shoebat) believe that Erdogan will formally declare himself Caliph 100 years after Turkey first became a secular country.

This man means business, and he likely will continue to menace the West even after Putin leaves, be it in 2018 or 2024. --James Kardys (talk) 12:16, 3 December 2017 (EDT)

Turkey's support of Al Qaeda & ISIS is in keeping with US policy since the troop surge. There have been about three phases of the war on terror thus far: 2001-2006 focused on al Qaeda; beginning with the Troop Surge, the focus shifted to Iran & Iranian proxy militias. After the US withdrawal from Iraq in late 2011, the US, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey, and others openly supported Sunni groups, including al Qaeda, to oppose Iran/Shite influence all the way to the Meditteranean coast, Syria, Lebanon, Hezbollah, Yemen, and elsewhere. Nobody in DC at the time imagined ISIS would start whacking heads or burn down the US embassy. But when it did happen, Flynn became the lone dissenter as one of 16 agency heads in the US intelligence community. When Flynn discovered weapons supplied through Qatar, intended for ISIS, were used to slaughter Americans in Afghanistan, he was outraged. He got booted from the IC.

Meantime since 2014 phase three of the war on terror has taken on a bigger priority - boosting the Gulenist movement as the premier Sunni group, as an alternative to the Muslim Brotherhood & Iran. Gulenists are being bred in the United States. Their object is to infiltrate police departments worldwide, primarily in the Middle East, but also Egypt, Africa, Europe, America, and elsewhere. Taxpayers in the United States are spending a half billion dollars a year to support 45,000 students in Gulenist charter schools in the US rght now. This is a massive, ambitious, long term investment that the US deep state isn't about to get one guy, Flynn, disrupt.

There's more to be said here about US-Iranian and US-Russian relations. But the overall plan does look like replacing Erdogen with Gulenists at some point. Flynn compares it to replacing the Shah with the Ayatollah, and openly opposes it. This is why he was silenced and discredited. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 04:15, 5 December 2017 (EST)