Talk:Yellow vest movement

Gonna need some help on this. It cannot be identified as nationalist, or even populist as yet. It contains an anarchist fringe. It is focused on bread-and-butter issues, which means it likely has immigrant supporters. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 18:45, 5 December 2018 (EST)

It seems like a big tent movement. Many different groups are in it. You might find the info I already added here helpful: Emmanuel Macron#Environmental policies (last paragraph in section). --1990'sguy (talk) 18:47, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Yes, its evolving. The suspension is intended to kick-the-can down the road past the May 2019 EU elections. So while that temporarily ends the violence, organizers now must try to hold it together.

In my view, it is a big tent that knows no race, Creed, religion, color, national origin, sexual identity or immigration status. The only thing that unites them is being anti-climate science, anti-global climate agreements, and anti-carbon tax. While movement's like Le Pen's National Rally may benefit, it also is in danger of fragmenting as other groups attempt to attach their pet issues to it. We should allow it to just develop the way it is right now without attaching a populist lable to it, yet. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:00, 5 December 2018 (EST)

I'm not sure the movement is necessarily "anti-climate science, anti-global climate agreements" -- since many of these people are on the Left, I'm sure they, overall, support the Paris agreement and other left-wing policies in theory, but they don't like the impact those policies are having on their personal lives, cost of living, etc. --1990'sguy (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2018 (EST)

That's exactly what we're hoping will come out of this - that Leftist ideologues will see how globalism, global climate agreements, and worshipping at the altar of climate science hits them in the pocket book.

I'm going to use the whole Macron section that begins with Paris climate agreement. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 19:20, 5 December 2018 (EST)

Association with Trump or nationalism

The group has no central organization. It is a spontaneous grassroots uprising across the political spectrum. It enjoys 80% popular support in opinion polls in a country that voted 66% for Macron eighteen months ago. It has been infiltrated by violent provocateurs and anarchists from both the Left and Right. It will not survive in it's current form, and will fragment with false reporting from either the MSM or alternative media - which is exactly the globalists objective and only way to defeat it, or at least slow it down.

IMO, the Breitbart report that a unorganized group, with no central command or control, that has been infiltrated by violent extremist, has published a pro-Trump manifesto is blatantly false reporting. It is intended as 'Rah Rah' cheerleading for the nationalist right, but has the effect of stunting the movements growth. It should be removed. It is far too premature to suggest this anti-elitist, anti-globalist movement is right-wing, nationalist, or pro-Trump. Breitbart is only promoting feelgoodism, and harming the movements prospects.

The cite & text should be removed, unless you place the caveat or disclaimer, "a group claiming to speak for the movement published a manifesto" (or some such language), which further serves the objective of fragmentation.

Let things develop. Let them organize an official voice by elected delegates to publish a manifesto. Remove false reporting. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 15:21, 10 December 2018 (EST)