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Debate: Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 23:58, November 18, 2019
, 23:58, November 18, 2019→Authority: added minor section "more comments from Talk:Infant baptism"
:*To him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2013%3A12 Matthew 13:12]; [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Mark%204%3A25 Mark 4:25] <br> -- ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:29, 18 November 2019 (EST)[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]]
:*To him who has will more be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who has not, even what he has will be taken away. [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2013%3A12 Matthew 13:12]; [https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/Mark%204%3A25 Mark 4:25] <br> -- ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:29, 18 November 2019 (EST)[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]]
:''Hearing, they hear not; seeing, they see not.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:22, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:''Hearing, they hear not; seeing, they see not.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:22, 18 November 2019 (EST)
=====more comments from [[Talk:Infant baptism]]=====
<big>:Dataclarifer: Answer the question I asked way long ago, which you seemed to answer affirmatively yet hedged a little bit later: Was the gospel preached to Israel in the wilderness? Your answer determines whether or not you reject the Word of God; if you say "No", all the crap you posted about rejecting the Word of God will come upon you (''per'' your own words). If you say "yes," we can move forward with this discussion.</big> [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:44, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:For you, my friend, salvation is a real nail-biter - cause you don't know whether or not you are saved. You have to wait til you die (after you jump thru a bunch of hoops in the flesh) and face judgement. Evidently you haven't read ''who'' faces judgement, nor accepted the simple truth ''who'' is ''saved'' from judgement. Again, by admitting you face judgement, you condemn yourself.
:''There is therefore no condemnation to them that are in Christ''
:Moving on. Why would somebody ''reject (or "neglect") so great a salvation?'' Perhaps to justify sin? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 02:06, 18 November 2019 (EST)
==The issue of "issues"==
Perhaps we need to do a section on the issue of "issues"
*Moses tapped the rock and water issued forth.
*Moses' name literally means ''drawn out'' or (more accurately analogous or synonymous with) issue (a ''coming forth'')
*The woman with the issue of blood
*''These words that I speak unto you (the issue of my mouth), they are spirit and they are life''.
I'm only opening the can here, but the issue of water through out scripture (for example, ''out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water'') runs throughout scripture. A study of this issue will prove Dataclarifier's use of "water" is always, entirely fleshly and natural, and not based upon any spiritual truth. ''The natural man (and mind) '''cannot''' understand the things of God.'' [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:29, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:''an issue'' is a ''flowing''. Just as ''water flowed forth'' to sustains natural life in the flesh, the Spirit flows forth to ''give life''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:35, 18 November 2019 (EST)
::Leviticus 17:11 - ''the life of the flesh is in the blood''
::Psalm 4:23 - ''Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
::Note: no mention of water. ''It is the Spirit that gives life''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 13:50, 18 November 2019 (EST)