Talk:DeSantisites

A few notes

First of all, shouldn't the title technically be spelled "DeSantesites"? Secondly, I don't think the 2022 Pennsylvania gubernatorial election was winnable for the GOP since the party's nominee, Mastriano, is a hard-populist "Christian nationalist" fringe nutjob who ran against a Democrat with perceived pragmatic credentials. And how is DeSantis pursuing consistent pro-Israel policies a terrible thing? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Saturday, 16:37, February 11, 2023 (EST)

I'm not sure we should assign a pejorative name and collect disparaging information like this when there is a fair probability DeSantis could be the GOP nominee. It could be used to attack DeSantis should he be the nominee. That of course, may be the strategy here. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:06, February 11, 2023 (EST)

As of right now, there's a 40-50% chance DeSantis will be a Republican president in either 2024 or 2028. How many times have we seen these propaganda efforts both from within and outside the GOP in presidential politics? In 2000, John McCain was the media darling challenging the frontrunner only to graduate to Hitler by 2008; in 2008 Mitt Romney was the media darling challenging the frontrunner only to graduate to Hitler in 2012; In 2015 Trump was the media darling prior to the primaries only to graduate to Hitler after securing the nomination. This kind of manipulation get's old after awhile.

The main problem with it is, it attacks DeSantis supporters, and not DeSantis directly himself. It is intended to sow division within the GOP, which will survive the 2024 primaries, and ignores all the organic events to play out over the next 15 months or so. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:18, February 11, 2023 (EST)

And the label itself sounds like a disease, like hepatitis. From a Propaganda 101 perspective, probably no accident. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:22, February 11, 2023 (EST)

Hello, I apologize for not seeing this sooner. Let me address a few points concerning both the comments here as well as the recent edits made to the page itself.

First, I agree with LT that Mastriano probably would've lost even without the GOP-E sabotage of MAGA candidates. However, it still should be noted that his campaign didn't receive the money that it needed, while DeSantis' campaign didn't receive money it didn't need.

Second, DeSantis' targeting of businesses which refuse to do business with Israel is both based on a false premise and unconstitutional. Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism per se, and targeting businesses who refuse to contract with a foreign country on the basis that alone is a violation of the First Amendment.

Third, I created the article because I see strong parallels between DeSantis 2024 and Cruz 2016, and as you may recall Andy created the Cruzites article in response to the latter campaign's tactics. Thus, I believe it is appropriate for CP to respond to DeSantis 2024 in a similar manner.

Fourth, I take back what I said about DeSantis not supporting E-Verify. Upon further research it turns out that the source I used was using exaggerated language to describe his then-limited support. And since that source was published he has taken further action. So again, I take back what I said there.

Fifth, when I wrote that DeSantis was being silent on January 6, I meant that he was being silent on the prisoners who are being held without trial because they were entrapped by federal agents. The source I cited was very clear on what it was referring to, but I had a lapse of judgment and thought the more broad language I used would be understood that way. For that I apologize. I'll reinsert the bullet point with more clear language.

Sixth, regarding RobS' edits of the second paragraph, Trump's bad hires cannot be blamed entirely on security clearance issues. In some cases, it was clearly due to him listening to bad advice. For example, if Rex Tillerson and H.R. McMaster could get security clearance, then Trump would've had no problem replacing them with like-minded individuals. But instead, he hired bottom-of-the-barrel people like Mike Pompeo and John Bolton. That doesn't happen due to a forced hand, no way. On a related note, the same advisers who recommended Bolton and Pompeo very likely were involved in Tillerson and McMaster being pushed out in the first place.--Geopolitician (talk) 14:29, February 14, 2023 (EST)

Alright, fair points. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 16:26, February 14, 2023 (EST)