Talk:Global fascism

I suggest moving this page title to "Global neofascism"

The problem with "fascism" in this context is that it completely ignores the historical definitive characteristics of fascist ideology. Italian Fascism's occult-rooted concept of orthodox nationalism fused into the tenets of Marxist socialism can be summarized as "national syndicalism with a philosophy of actualism." Unless one can provide a proper basis to designate the globalist agenda as "national syndicalist," the straight-up "fascist" label is simply misleading.

On the other hand, "neofascism," more all-encompassing in what it can refer to, is a better term—the global "fascism" in our present day is not the same old strain of Fascism in Mussolini's Italy, but rather a newly developed form that applies its totalitarian tenets and particularly, a "compromise" between capitalism and Communism ("state capitalism," where private property rights are neither universal nor entirely confiscated, but granted on conditional circumstances), to a differently oriented system.

A nationalist labor union movement clamoring for a syndicate vanguard/federation to seize the means of production would probably be close to old-school Fascist ideology. Modern-day globalism isn't, and can at best be considered "neofascist." It is also worth noting that the neo-Marxist social agenda of contemporary globalists is contrary to the cultural social rigidity pursued by Italian Fascists (also a feature of Soviet Communism). Modern-day "moral degeneracy" can be traced to the New Left, whose ideologues borrowed from the Frankfurt School led by Antonio Gramsci, who tried to assassinate Mussolini. With this fact alone, designating a movement grounded in neo-Marxism as "fascist" is silly, seeing that neo-Marxists were not only antithetical to the social rigidity aspect of classical Fascism, but even violently attempted to overthrow Fascism in a age-old manifestation of intrasocialist conflict. It's also worth noting that neo-Marxists are not "Communists." Sure, Marxist–Leninist theory promoted moral degradation, but actual Communist regimes were culturally "national-conservative." —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 16:24, September 7, 2023 (EDT)

Don't take any of these comments as being the last word. But basically we've had this discussion on the Fascism talk page; fascism originally was an economic concept, that post-1939 acquired a different meaning in the Angelosphere anti-Nazi propaganda networks with quite a different meaning from its original context. And that revised meaning persists to this day, which, IMO, creates a lot of confusion.

For now, I'd suggest creating a redirect Global neo-fascism to here until this concept gets worked out (and this also avoids creating more confusion by having to create a separate neo-fascism article to distinguish it from Global neo-fasicm). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:37, September 7, 2023 (EDT)

War propaganda tends to do things like this - change the meaning of words and concepts from the beginning of the conflict until its ultimate end. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:40, September 7, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] Yes, Italian Fascism was economic because it was essentially a "reformist" approach to fixing socialism from the failures of Marxism, aimed ultimately at creating a successful utopian paradise that would retain a socialist structure, even if compromises were to be made. However, its early stages were a left-wing nationalist labor union movement (anarcho-syndicalism) that appealed to populist sentiments—the global "fascism" of nowadays, by contrast, is a blatantly top-down, elitist organization which places no central emphasis on working-class labor unionism.

Even if definitive perceptions change as a result of war, the characteristics of the original ideological strain should be kept in mind, especially since misuse of the word "fascism" as a generic insult is a longstanding tactic of "orthodox" socialists and neo-Marxists. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 16:45, September 7, 2023 (EDT)