Talk:CP Civility Association

"The Squad" may not have been the best choice of words. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:13, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

We are reclaiming the title. AOC does not own the exclusive rights to being called a squad, and we need to remind her of that fact. MayGodBless (talk) 12:15, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

I dunno. Seems pretty lame. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:16, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

How about CP Goon Squad? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:17, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

It would actually be easier to make a counter proposal for alternative language at Team CP, ifd you really intend to promote cooperative editing. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:19, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

Contradiction

• We agree that holding administrator privileges does not make you a "leader" of CP.
• We recognize that Andy Schlafly is the leader of this website

Given that Andy Schlafly is the recognized leader of the site and appoints administrators, this appears to be a direct challenge to his leadership. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:30, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

If you do a Google search on the word Administrator you get this: Administrator - Google search. It does appear that an administrator can be likened to a manager in some contexts.

Also, there is a difference between a manager and a leader and here is a Google search: Managers vs. leaders - Google search. Conservative (talk) 12:38, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

Motion

Move to strike the language, "We agree that holding administrator privileges does not make you a "leader" of CP." RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:31, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

• Oppose per User:Conservative's explanation above. MayGodBless (talk) 12:47, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

• I don't see where User:Conservative opposes the contradiction in wording. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:48, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

• Admins are managers. They are not leaders. MayGodBless (talk) 13:05, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

• Oppose. Administrators/managers are not leaders. See: Managers vs. leaders - Google search. Conservative (talk) 13:07, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

• When did Google become the all-seeing authority? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:14, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

More ankle biting. Is that the best you can do? Conservative (talk) 13:24, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

"everyone here in good faith"

Including sockpuppets? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:57, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

Sockpuppets are not here in good faith. MayGodBless (talk) 13:03, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

So that is a judgement call? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:06, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

I am not sure what you mean. MayGodBless (talk) 13:07, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

An editor with blocking rights can make a judgement call that a user account is a sockpuppet, not acting in good faith, and block without warning or discussion. Only an Administrator can override the block.

Furthermore, are you saying ALL sockpuppets are acting in bad faith? This may not necessarily be the case. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:12, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

"we will criticize fellow conservatives when they deserve to be criticized"

Alternative language: "we will criticize fellow conservatives when they deserve to be criticized within the bounds of CP Guidelines." RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:57, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

I have updated the sentence. MayGodBless (talk) 13:04, October 28, 2023 (EDT)

Without reference to CP Guidelines, you are saying that both Trump and Biden have to be criticized in good faith, but leaving open the most vile abuse toward other CP editors beyond CP Guidelines. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:08, October 28, 2023 (EDT)