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| − | [[John McCain]] was absolutely right in a [[Republican]] [[2000 Presidential election]] debate when asked why he was running against his own party | + | [[John McCain]] was absolutely right in a [[Republican]] [[2000 Presidential election]] debate when asked why he was running against his own party's [[Senate]] leadership which backed [[GW Bush]]. Former [[Navy]] Captain John McCain said building more [[Supercarrier]]s in [[Senate]] Majority Leader [[Trent Lott]]'s home state was not needed in [[war]]s of the future, and was just another example of a wasteful [[boondoggle]] ([[military Keynesianism]]). McCain was assured the 2008 GOP Presidential nomination if he would just shut up and back [[Baby Bush]]. Voters chose Bush cause he was viewed as an outsider of the [[corrupt]] [[DC]] system. |
By 2008, of course, the [[neocon]]s were already into the 8th year of two [[perpetual war]]s. After losing the presidency in 2008, McCain spent his time lobbying and trying to organize a ground "troop surge" (wars cannot be fought by naval and air power alone) against the very [[Shi'ite]] forces that now apparently have driven the [[United States]] permanently out of the [[Persian Gulf]], and exposed to the world the limits of [[America]]'s [[military]] power, and the futility of relying on America's [[diplomatic]] promises and [[security guarantee]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 18:17, May 2, 2026 (EDT) | By 2008, of course, the [[neocon]]s were already into the 8th year of two [[perpetual war]]s. After losing the presidency in 2008, McCain spent his time lobbying and trying to organize a ground "troop surge" (wars cannot be fought by naval and air power alone) against the very [[Shi'ite]] forces that now apparently have driven the [[United States]] permanently out of the [[Persian Gulf]], and exposed to the world the limits of [[America]]'s [[military]] power, and the futility of relying on America's [[diplomatic]] promises and [[security guarantee]]s. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Abnormal is fine. Stupid isn't.]]</sup> 18:17, May 2, 2026 (EDT) | ||
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| + | :*[[Conflicts Forum]]: [https://conflictsforum.substack.com/p/ways-of-war-are-in-metamorphosis ‘Ways of War’ are in metamorphosis -- Lessons from the Iran War]. | ||
| + | :"The post-war western approach (especially in the [[Cold War]] context) relied on the ability to outspend any [[military]] adversary through the acquisition of high-end, over-engineered and costly manned [[aircraft]] and [[ammunition|munition]]s. Dominance of airspace and heavy reliance on aerial bombardment, i.e. air-war, was the doctrinal end. The expenditure overmatch (as well as an imputed [[technical]] innovation) was viewed as the crucial element in the confrontation with the [[USSR]]. Similarly, the impulse in [[naval]] [[war]]fare was toward '''investment in ever bigger carriers and their associated tiers of naval support vessels'''....The high-end outspend-approach both favoured the US’ [[Military Industrial Complex]], and together with [[US]] [[dollar]] [[hegemony]], provided [[America]] with the unique advantage of allowing the US effectively to ‘print’ those high-end overmatch supplementary expenses. Then came the [[Iran war]] of 2026, whose [[asymmetrical warfare|asymmetric]] model upended conventional doctrines...." | ||
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| + | :"when asked why the U.S. keeps investing billions in aircraft carriers and even “Trump-class battleships,” [John Culver's] answer is that it's because “the military services have a nostalgia for the things that meet their expectations for how you get promoted.” In other words, wasted money. [https://arnaudbertrand.substack.com/p/the-neocons-come-to-jesus-moment] | ||
Latest revision as of 05:29, May 12, 2026
The largest AC of the world are not NZ-class, the largets one is USS enterprise
- Nimitz-class are the largest in the world. All ten are of extremely similar dimensions. --Hojimachongtalk 20:36, 20 April 2007 (EDT)
McCain's legacy
John McCain was absolutely right in a Republican 2000 Presidential election debate when asked why he was running against his own party's Senate leadership which backed GW Bush. Former Navy Captain John McCain said building more Supercarriers in Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott's home state was not needed in wars of the future, and was just another example of a wasteful boondoggle (military Keynesianism). McCain was assured the 2008 GOP Presidential nomination if he would just shut up and back Baby Bush. Voters chose Bush cause he was viewed as an outsider of the corrupt DC system.
By 2008, of course, the neocons were already into the 8th year of two perpetual wars. After losing the presidency in 2008, McCain spent his time lobbying and trying to organize a ground "troop surge" (wars cannot be fought by naval and air power alone) against the very Shi'ite forces that now apparently have driven the United States permanently out of the Persian Gulf, and exposed to the world the limits of America's military power, and the futility of relying on America's diplomatic promises and security guarantees. RobSAbnormal is fine. Stupid isn't. 18:17, May 2, 2026 (EDT)
- "The post-war western approach (especially in the Cold War context) relied on the ability to outspend any military adversary through the acquisition of high-end, over-engineered and costly manned aircraft and munitions. Dominance of airspace and heavy reliance on aerial bombardment, i.e. air-war, was the doctrinal end. The expenditure overmatch (as well as an imputed technical innovation) was viewed as the crucial element in the confrontation with the USSR. Similarly, the impulse in naval warfare was toward investment in ever bigger carriers and their associated tiers of naval support vessels....The high-end outspend-approach both favoured the US’ Military Industrial Complex, and together with US dollar hegemony, provided America with the unique advantage of allowing the US effectively to ‘print’ those high-end overmatch supplementary expenses. Then came the Iran war of 2026, whose asymmetric model upended conventional doctrines...."
- "when asked why the U.S. keeps investing billions in aircraft carriers and even “Trump-class battleships,” [John Culver's] answer is that it's because “the military services have a nostalgia for the things that meet their expectations for how you get promoted.” In other words, wasted money. [1]
