Talk:Brokeback Mountain

Should we have an article on this? It's kind of unfamily friendly, but definitely notable.-MexMax 23:22, 22 January 2008 (EST)

This article is now mostly a summary and analysis from someone who refuses to see it? I guess I shouldn't complain, though - it's better than the apparently well-researched article by a different editor here about a racist hate-site that included screen captures and an invitation to visit it. --DinsdaleP 09:22, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I agree. It's hard to write an accurate summary/analysis without seeing a movie. Like it or not, agree with it or not, all controversy aside, this movie is a romance, and the current summary completely leaves that out. --Hsmom 09:33, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

And Jake Ghyllenhall was well known for his role in Donny Darko. I'd edit the page, but I feel I would be blocked for ideological differences vandalism.--IanG 11:33, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

In this case, you don't have to have seen the movie because it was so plastered around the country and overdiscussed by the MSM that you couldn't avoid finding out about it. I'm not writing a scene-by-scene analysis, but rather the broad strokes, and those were made clear by all the interviews and discussions. Bill O'Reilly himself said he refuses to see the movie, but that didn't stop him from denouncing it because he knew what it was about and -- this is the real point -- what it's goal was. To say I have to see this movie in order to describe its homosexual "romance" accurately is the same chastising by liberals that is mentioned in the article. Kind of ironic, no? Lastly, I've never heard of Donny Darko and don't remember it being released at my multiplex. -Foxtrot 12:43, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

What exactly does one have to do to become a "name" actor? Making millions for each movie and being a household name doesn't seem to do it, so what does? I'll admit Gyllenhall was not a huge name in the industry (but he was hardly a no-name the way some actors are in their first big pictures) but to call Ledger that is downright silly. And why was their decision ill-advised? Because it made Gyllenhall much more prominent? Because Ledger was nominated for an Oscar for his role? Yeah, bad decision. Or are you trying to tie Ledger's death to this movie (if so, you'd need to come up with something specific)? The final paragraph makes the author seem plain ignorant of the subject. DavidH 12:51, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I don't understand the "teen crush" comment. Ten Things I Hate About You was a very popular movie and it made him very well-known, which would be a "name" actor, right? And Donnie Darko is also a very well-known and beloved movie (though I've never seen it), which would make Gyllenhall a "name" actor, too, right? It may be ill-advised, I can't claim to know that. However, I know almost nothing about this movie - I didn't even know it was Ledger and Gyllenhall who were in it. But not knowing this movie and still knowing the actors says something about their degree of fame, doesn't it? LiamG 13:01, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Ok, let's start with what we can all agree upon: all articles must follow the Commandments. If you haven't seen a movie, then anything you say about the movie should at least be sourced, right?

As for the "no name" part: again, personal experience isn't enough here. I once told my mom that Elvis couldn't be famous, because I had never heard of him. Both of these actors were in movies before Brokeback that did pretty well and are still popular today (and before anyone says anything: they were popular before Ledger died, as well). They clearly don't have the acting experience of Tom Hanks or Roberd DeNiro, but they are far from "no name".

As I haven't seen the movie myself, I won't remove anything from the article, but it clearly needs work from someone who has reliable sources, prefereably one who has seen it themselves, so they can attest to the reliability. HelpJazz 13:14, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Just a quick addition - since Hollywood is liberal, and actors are a part of Hollywood Values, why wouldn't "actors touch a project like this"? Part of the goal of Hollywood Values is to promote the gay agenda, isn't it? LiamG 13:15, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

Heath Ledger was also well known for A Knight's Tale, and Jake later went on to make Jarhead and other films. Once you get multiple leading roles, you stop being a no name actor.--IanG 13:45, 7 October 2008 (EDT)

I never heard of Ledger nor A Knights Tale. BrokeBack wasn't even xpected to be a hit (cause of homosexuality). No-name seems like the perfect description. Just because you are in a prior movie, doesn't make you a star.--Jpatt 14:26, 7 October 2008 (EDT)