Talk:Fundamentalism

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Merging

I attempted to merge the two articles that were present here. The result is ok, but it still needs help by someone more fluent in the history of American Christianity than I. Also, a great deal of the statements that I merged were unsourced, and any help in that department would be appreciated. JANorton 23:03, 14 January 2009 (EST)

This article

I created this article as a stub, because it was in the wanted page list. However, I wonder, do we have an article describing the beliefs of modern evangelical Christians? I would think such an article should be a centerpiece.-MexMax 11:52, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Superb entry, MexMax!!!! I learned from your work. Yes, we should have an entry on evangelical Christians. I'll look first, and then start one if not already here somewhere.--Aschlafly 12:04, 6 January 2008 (EST)

Not to complain, but why was my edit reverted? I was simply making the article more informative. CodyH 2238 7 January 2008 (BST)

I misjudged it, sorry. I reverted it back to your edit. DanH 15:14, 7 January 2008 (EST)

And now I know what Fundamentalism is.. that would earn another 2 points on the American Gov't final. -^_^- Fuzzy 21:48, 21 January 2008 (EST)

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Okay, a bit of history of this and a related article.

• An article named Fundamentalism was created on 15th March, 2007.
• An article named Fundamentalist was created on 25th March, 2007.
• On 28th September, 2007, merge tags were put on both articles, suggesting that Fundamentalist be merged into Fundamentalism.
• On 6th January 2008, the content of Fundamentalism was pasted into Fundamentalist, and Fundamentalism was deleted to "make way for move". Presumably the intention was that the now-merged Fundamentalist article would be moved to Fundamentalism. However, this did not happen, and on 7th January (about 12 hours after the deletion), a new version of Fundamentalism was created.

The 6th January paste was just that: a simple copy-and-paste job, with no attempt to actually merge. I'm going to do the same thing in a moment, copying and pasting the content of Fundamentalist into this article (Fundamentalism). I might then attempt a rough merge, but I will make Fundamentalist a redirect to this article. I will also restore the history of this article.

I hope that's all clear. It took a bit for me just to figure all that out!

Philip J. Rayment 07:37, 17 February 2008 (EST)

Definitions of Christian fundamentalism

I came across this page when editing another and wondered if could link to this topic. As Googling "fundamental Christian defined" will show, it is often mostly parodied, and is often bandied about in the MSM with little distinction between types, and is equated with militant Islam by militant atheists, and denigrated by many in evangelical Christianity and Catholicism, so i hoped for a fair explanation here. This page provides the history of Christian fundamentalism as a movement, which helps to distinguish it from simply being a fundamentalist, and provides some of the essentials of fundamentalism, but i added a new section to give more of an explanation. But i yet find it wanting. My definition of a fundamental Christian is one who hold to the evangelical fundamentals, but who is manifestly committed to them. Jesus and the apostles certain fit that description, including taking the Bible literally when that that was the type of genre at subject, and includes in Christ's body every real believer, but contended against serious errors within the camp of the elect.

However, adherence to fundamentals and commitment to them may include a wide variety of people, who can be vastly different in spirit, from Fred Phelps to David Wilkerson (good). It also can describe cultic groups who claim to hold to most or all of these essentials, but are critically aberrant in one or more issues not specifically listed as fundamentals, with white supremacists coming to mind. In this, one can be a committed fundamentalist and be opposed to one whom the media assigns that name. Daniel1212 15:04, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

The Bible does not say that Jesus was a fundamentalist. If it did we would probably not have 300 different denominations in this country, all of them claiming to understard Christ's true beliefs. RJJensen 16:30, 15 July 2009 (EDT)

No, it does not say that. Or that He even was a conservative (by today's standards) nor does it call Him a Trinitarian or a mono-Theist or Paul a Pentecostal or a Messianic Jew. But if it did that would not have reduced the number of sects claiming such, any more than calling the first believers Christian (Actc 11:26) did. Such terms describe people based upon certain characteristics, and are often popular due to the well-meaning desire and necessity to spiritually separate themselves from those who profess but manifestly do not possess. (2Cor. 13:5) But the problem is when they go beyond basic doctrines and commitment to peripheral issues as to who constitutes a regenerated believer, such as excluding "fundamental" Pentecostals. But of course, that type of tendency, which is the downside of a good thing (doctrinal purity) is what has made fundamenalism negative notable.

My careful statement was that Jesus and the apostles certain fit the description of Christians who hold to the evangelical fundamentals, and are manifestly committed to them. If this suffices as defining a fundamentalist then it should be able to be used for them. Certainly Jesus believed in the virgin birth, and the infallibility and inerrancy of Scripture, His blood atonement and resurrection, and salvation by grace, and took such stories as Jonah and the fish as literally true, and was committed to heart and doctrinal purity. Whether He intended musical instruments for the church i know not, and am certain the time of the rapture is not an essential. But i do believe He upheld and appealed to the reality of eternal torment, and upheld the moral laws of the O.T, except to intensify them even more. But His spirit was not that which Fred Phelps so often has displayed, much less than men like the liberal Catholic priest Daniel Helminiak, who disallows fundamentalists from being Christians, due to their opposition to homosexuality. Daniel1212 20:14, 15 July 2009 (EDT)