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:It's times like this when CP's antipathy to the word "liberal" looks ''really'' silly. I'll save myself some typing and just point you to to your own bloody article on [[John Locke]]. --[[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] 16:52, 1 March 2010 (EST) | :It's times like this when CP's antipathy to the word "liberal" looks ''really'' silly. I'll save myself some typing and just point you to to your own bloody article on [[John Locke]]. --[[User:JohnZ|JohnZ]] 16:52, 1 March 2010 (EST) | ||
| + | ::Why? Has it hit a nerve because you know that your own liberal beliefs are faulted and wrong? Maybe you should use the [[liberal]] page to educate yourself. [[User:Myrobi|Myrobi]] 16:56, 1 March 2010 (EST) | ||
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Some thoughts…..
Before anyone starts claiming that “taxes placing the United States on a sound financial footing is a liberal falsehood,” please note that I have provided references, and nearly any good college level U.S. history text will agree with this. If you want evidence from a primary source, please consult Hamilton’s Report on Public Credit, which can be found in the American State Papers, Finance, vol. one, 1789-1802 which can be found here http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/amlaw/lwsplink.html
In keeping with conservapedia’s commandment # 1, everything in this article is “true and verifiable.” If you do think something in this article is incorrect, please have, as I do, the intellectual integrity to cite your sources. --1048247 12:49, 6 May 2007 (EDT)
Not to quibble, but how does removing a "pro-tax bias" with an anti-tax bias any better? Jrssr5 10:08, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
History has a liberal bias?
Who is this guy to tell us to get off his talk page? Will he block you if you put it back on, 104etc?-BillBuck 11:50, 3 May 2007 (EDT)
I am a little surprised by the reaction. Nearly any scholar will cite excise taxes as ONE of the reasons that the U.S. retired its war debt. It also caused agreat deal of resentment. That was what the Whiskey Rebellion was about.
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I'm adding a bibliography I compiled and new material-- all written by me but some appeared in Wikipedia or Citizendium.org RJJensen 22:22, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
Leading Intellectual
I think "a" leading intellectual rather than "the" leading intellectual understates Hamilton's role a bit. The other examples were not really his equal as an intellectual.--Aschlafly 22:43, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
- well it depends what you mean by an "intellectual" rather little of Hamilton's career was spent as a writer (1788 on Fed Papers and 1792 on three big reports is about it, along with a couple essays in 1775.) I think John Adams was more widely read, for example, and Franklin was a world-famous scientist. Noah Webster likewise was a major intellectual. RJJensen 23:35, 7 September 2008 (EDT)
Most conservative?
Alexander Hamilton can hardly be described as one of the most conservative founding father. He believed in keeping a permenant debt to keep the nation together. He believed the consitution should be interperated loosely not literally. Jefferson was a stickler for a literal interperation of the constiution. He was believed in a strong centralized goverment.
His party, the federalists, were not a grass roots party. They alienated the all but the elite. The Democratic-Republicans or just Republicans were a much more appealing party to the common man.
In some issues yes he had conservative views, and in some cases he had liberal views. But to call him the most conservative of the founding fathers is just inncorrect and ignorant.
He was not conservative or liberal. He was a federalist. The conservatives of the time were tories or loyalists and left when the United States gained their independence. The federalist had some liberal view and some conservative views to call the one is just incorrect or dilberitly confusing the facts. --rightStuff March 1, 2010
- You make good points, though I disagree with any claim that someone "was not conservative or liberal." People hold views, and those views can be identified as conservative or liberal (or something else).
- Feel free to improve this entry as you think best, and let's look at your changes. I hope to learn from your edits. But please don't delete information.--Andy Schlafly 11:32, 1 March 2010 (EST)
- I feel that the phrase the most conservative of the founding fathers is an opinion and should be omitted. Let the reader decide that for themselves. By saying he was a conservative there should be evidence in the article, but as I stated before it is a debatable point. rightStuff 1:34, 1 March (EST)
Excuse me, wrongstuff, but the Tories back then were those that argued for big government and big government interference in the lives of the citizens; these Tories demanded the population kowtow to the will of the king. Does this sound familiar? They were the liberals of their day, behaving exactly as the liberals of today are doing. Karajou 14:30, 1 March 2010 (EST)
- It's times like this when CP's antipathy to the word "liberal" looks really silly. I'll save myself some typing and just point you to to your own bloody article on John Locke. --JohnZ 16:52, 1 March 2010 (EST)