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== One Question for Creationists ==
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How did God create DNA?
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==Like the campaign!==
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I like how this is turning out; stumping evolutionists/atheists with fifteen questions based on facts and logic, while helping people to see the truth written in ''Genesis''.  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] 19:22, 21 May 2012 (EDT)
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::Karajou, I am glad you liked the [[Question evolution! campaign]] in 2012.  It certainly looks like you are going to LOVE it in 2013![http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/04/2013-joyous-year-for-young-earth.html] :) [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:15, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
  
It's not a frivolous question. What were the steps (in whatever level of detail is known) that the Lord went through to plan, design and assemble the DNA that He put into all living things? --[[User:QPR|QPR]] 18:07, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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== Question Evolution! Campaign is achieving its goal - people are questioning evolution! ==
:::Why don't you ask Him?  I am sure if He finds your question to be important, He will gladly answer it. :) I would make sure that [[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian|you repent and become a Christian first (if you have not done so already),]] before you issue your petition. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:12, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:Conservative, instead of avoiding the question entirely, we should at least point him the right direction.
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'''American [[young earth creationism]] increased in the last two years - Gallup survey.''' [http://creation.com/question-evolution Question evolution! campaign] and other efforts of creationists are working!.[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/06/american-young-earth-creationism.html]
:God has woven each of us together, individually, since the time of conception. (Psalms 139) [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 18:22, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::Clarification: Why don't you ask Him? I am sure if He finds your question to be important, He will gladly answer it. :) I would make sure that [[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian|you repent and become a Christian first (if you have not done so already),]] before you issue your petition. With the indwelling of the [[Holy Spirit]] and asking for guidance about your petition, I am sure that you will not ask amiss.  [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 18:12, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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It is so good to be a Bible believing creationist! It is so easy to crush the pseudoscience of [[evolution]]ism. It merely takes getting the anti-evolution message out there.[http://creation.com/creation-timely-tool-for-todays-evangelist][http://creation.com/taking-creation-evangelism-to-the-streets] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 07:34, 2 June 2012 (EDT)
@JonG - thanks. That quotation does certainly suggest a Biblical awareness of DNA, but it's still really a restatement of the fact THAT God created DNA, not a description of HOW he created it. --[[User:QPR|QPR]] 18:28, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:Then, frankly, Conservative is correct. The "How" cannot be answered by us (or as far as I know, by The Bible). For that, you will have to ask the Creator himself. Keep your thirst for knowledge. [[User:JonG|~ ]][[User_talk:JonG|JonG]][[Special:Contributions/JonG| ~]] 18:31, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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== "Satisfactorally" section? ==
::So does that apply to other enquiries? Was Jenner wrong to work out how to vaccinate against smallpox for himself?--[[User:QPR|QPR]] 18:37, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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::And if it is a mistake for me to ask this question, isn't it also a mistake for the Question Evolution campaign to ask precisely the same question?--[[User:QPR|QPR]] 18:40, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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I think it would be helpful to explain that, to satisfactorally answer the 15 questions, atheists would need to prove that God does not exist. I know that it is kind of implied by the sub-text, but if we're going around saying that someone hasn't satisfied a criteria we should also say what it would take to do that.
First sox, then shoes. I would make sure that [[Resources for leaving atheism and becoming a Christian|you repent and become a Christian first (if you have not done so already),]] before you issue your petition. With the indwelling of the [[Holy Spirit]] and asking for guidance about your petition, I am sure that you will not ask amiss.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:49, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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::Can someone make this change? I'm unable to edit this page for some reason.
:Why have you never addressed the 15 answers to this campaign. 2 people have so far published answers in the talk archive page yet you keep talking as though no one can answer these questions. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 19:57, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::Feel free to make a stronger case for your suggestion. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 19:44, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
::Faux answers do not count. See: [[Evolution]] and [[Atheism and deception]].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:12, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::would any answer ever be considered satisfactory? or is it a mythical thing like bigfoot to have an answer for them that would be satisfactory to the askers? --DavidS 12:15, 21 March 2013 (EDT)
:::What do you mean "faux answers"? What's faux about them? You haven't countered a single one of them. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 20:16, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::::If you are an evolutionists, why don't you raise this question in a debate?[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/02/our-question-evolution-group-is.html] Unless of course, you are afraid of losing a debate badly![http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2012/10/21st-century-atheism-is-well-known-for.html][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 12:59, 21 March 2013 (EDT)
::::::Proverbs 26:5 [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:23, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::::::"Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit." Seems to mean avoid ad hominem attacks and go after the argument itself. --[[User:Chouston|Chouston]] 21:05, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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After doing some thinking on the issue, I'd like to add some thoughts to the issue. It seems to me that there must be some criteria to judge the evolutionist answers to these questions, but that whether or not the question satisfies a creationist is not a good one. To maintain the intellectual rigor of the questions, there should be some adjudication of any evolutionist answer to the questions by some independent third party. Who that independent third party should be, though, entirely escapes me.--[[User:DTSavage|DTSavage]] 02:32, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
::::::::that's not an answer. The way I see it (and I am no atheist) is that the 15 questions can and have been answered. Why not respond and rebut them? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:33, 7
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::DTSavage: Resolving the [[creation]] vs. [[evolution]] war: Independent third party arbitration or total victory and systematically grinding away at the folly of Darwinism?[http://questionevolution.blogspot.com/2013/04/resolving-creation-vs-evolution-war.html]
::Faux answers still do not count. See: [[Evolution]] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 21:37, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::What is faux about them? [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:39, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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::I hope that helps clarify things. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 20:05, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
::::Max, why do you continue trying to engage "Conservative"? It's very clear he has no interest in honestly participating in any discussion. He's right. Everyone else is a fool. You've never gotten anything but deflection or sneering responses! [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 21:51, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::::Because I am genuinely interested. I want to know why the answers people have provided are incorrect. I am learning about creationism and i want to know why these answers do not satisfy creationists. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 21:54, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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:::Conservative, thanks for the blog post. It was definitely an interesting read! Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the point of the QE campaign, at least as I'm reading the blog post, is to say that evolutionists cannot answer the questions, not to offer up many of the main challenges to evolutionism and give evolutionists a chance to rebut them.--[[User:DTSavage|DTSavage]] 01:02, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
::::::Then obviously he's the wrong person to help you. I've learned a lot from Talk Origins, EvoWiki, and Creation Ministries International. You can write to CMI and they have responded to my questions. [[User:NKeaton|Nate]] 21:59, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::The prominent evolutionists [[PZ Myers]] and Nick Matzke have both admitted that the [[origin of life]] is part of the evolutionary paradigm.[http://creation.com/origin-of-life] Not a single evolutionists has gotten past the first question of the [http://creation.com/15-questions 15 questions] for evolutionists which deals with the origin of life, let alone the remaining 14 questions. It's time evolutionists admitted total defeat! Their Darwinism dog can't hunt! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 14:54, 8 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::I have written to CMI before to and received a very courteous reply. [[User:MaxFletcher|MaxFletcher]] 22:01, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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::::::::Because if you could satisfy creationists with correct, logical, scientific answers, then they wouldn't be Creationists. When you reverse the scientific method, no amount of answers derived from the correct order is going to convince them. He's not going to answer us according to our alleged folly, because it isn't folly. --[[User:Chouston|Chouston]] 22:03, 7 August 2011 (EDT)
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Like the campaign!

I like how this is turning out; stumping evolutionists/atheists with fifteen questions based on facts and logic, while helping people to see the truth written in Genesis. Karajou 19:22, 21 May 2012 (EDT)

Karajou, I am glad you liked the Question evolution! campaign in 2012. It certainly looks like you are going to LOVE it in 2013![1] :) Conservative 20:15, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

Question Evolution! Campaign is achieving its goal - people are questioning evolution!

American young earth creationism increased in the last two years - Gallup survey. Question evolution! campaign and other efforts of creationists are working!.[2]

It is so good to be a Bible believing creationist! It is so easy to crush the pseudoscience of evolutionism. It merely takes getting the anti-evolution message out there.[3][4] Conservative 07:34, 2 June 2012 (EDT)

"Satisfactorally" section?

I think it would be helpful to explain that, to satisfactorally answer the 15 questions, atheists would need to prove that God does not exist. I know that it is kind of implied by the sub-text, but if we're going around saying that someone hasn't satisfied a criteria we should also say what it would take to do that.

Can someone make this change? I'm unable to edit this page for some reason.
Feel free to make a stronger case for your suggestion. Conservative 19:44, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
would any answer ever be considered satisfactory? or is it a mythical thing like bigfoot to have an answer for them that would be satisfactory to the askers? --DavidS 12:15, 21 March 2013 (EDT)
If you are an evolutionists, why don't you raise this question in a debate?[5] Unless of course, you are afraid of losing a debate badly![6]Conservative 12:59, 21 March 2013 (EDT)

After doing some thinking on the issue, I'd like to add some thoughts to the issue. It seems to me that there must be some criteria to judge the evolutionist answers to these questions, but that whether or not the question satisfies a creationist is not a good one. To maintain the intellectual rigor of the questions, there should be some adjudication of any evolutionist answer to the questions by some independent third party. Who that independent third party should be, though, entirely escapes me.--DTSavage 02:32, 10 April 2013 (EDT)

DTSavage: Resolving the creation vs. evolution war: Independent third party arbitration or total victory and systematically grinding away at the folly of Darwinism?[7]
I hope that helps clarify things. Conservative 20:05, 10 April 2013 (EDT)
Conservative, thanks for the blog post. It was definitely an interesting read! Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems that the point of the QE campaign, at least as I'm reading the blog post, is to say that evolutionists cannot answer the questions, not to offer up many of the main challenges to evolutionism and give evolutionists a chance to rebut them.--DTSavage 01:02, 11 April 2013 (EDT)
The prominent evolutionists PZ Myers and Nick Matzke have both admitted that the origin of life is part of the evolutionary paradigm.[8] Not a single evolutionists has gotten past the first question of the 15 questions for evolutionists which deals with the origin of life, let alone the remaining 14 questions. It's time evolutionists admitted total defeat! Their Darwinism dog can't hunt! Conservative 14:54, 8 December 2013 (EST)