Talk:Romantic Values

Really? Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion are conservative values. Whowudathunk?RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 13:13, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

There is no mention of rum or rebellion on the page. The Romantics valued, individualism, patriotism, nationalism, creativity, and innovation. They also rejected statism. These values embraced the American Dream, it's pretty conservative actually. --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 13:18, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

This page is pretty far off. Ideas such as progressivism and communism came from Romantic values. [1] Individualism and limited government are ideas that come from classicism. [2] There's a reason why when you look at the buildings built by our Founders, they built buildings that look like the Roman era. [3] Progressingamerica (talk) 20:06, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

Wanted to give some additional information here. Romanticism comes about shortly after the French Revolution[4], influences the Germanic Romantics[5], and that's how you end up with Karl Marx.[6] Hegel was a Romantic.[7] Progressingamerica (talk) 20:32, 17 April 2020 (EDT)

I gitit now. Since Hitler was such a fan of the High Romantic or Late Romantic period (1880-1910, per Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich), therefore "Romantic Values" are "conservative values. The page is looking more and more like parody. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 08:56, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

No, I do not believe that it is correct. Well I agree that limited government came from Classicism. I never said it didn’t. I said the Romantics valued individualism, they may not have created it but they valued it, just like conservatives do today. [8] If Romantics, valued individualism they most likely opposed communism. The Romantics opposed the Enlightenment, which has influenced Liberalism, whereas modern conservatism is similar to Romanticism. [9] The basis of the Enlightenment Karl Marx the father of communism was part of the Enlightenment period, and was expressing reason the same for Adolf Hitler. [10] Overall even if the Romantics did not create conservatism, they did hold conservative beliefs and values. --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 12:34, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Age of Reason = rationalism

Romantic Era = emotionalism (in response to rationalism)

The beginning of the Romantic era coincides with the beginning of Age of Metternich, which Marxists call reactionary. You're taking what is basically an artistic and literary label and applying some pseudo-philosophical, political, and sociological meaning to it. Basically, calling "Romanticism" "conservative" is Marxist in origin - the defeat of rational thinking by emotion. By that theory, the Democratic party, the Democratic party platform, the rhetoric of Democratic party candidates, and the thinking of the Democratic party voter base is conservative.

I think your whole theory is balderdash. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 12:45, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

You point how they came up with these beliefs is by emotion, which I acknowledge is true, however, that is just the approach to their values it is not the values themselves. This page is about their values, which support individualism, charity, and other conservative values. Also, it is important to realize reason does not necessarily mean good. [11] Marxism which created by Karl Marx is not necessarily about reason over emotion, as Karl Marx was promoting universal reason. [12] --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 13:20, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

So, do persons living during the Art Deco period believe in Art Deco values, which then fall into a greater classification of conservative values, or only the movers and shakers behind the Art Deco movement? RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 13:26, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

If you're asking me as a response, I do not know much about the Art Decon time period or their values. So I sorry I cannot give you an accurate answer. --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 13:30, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

The Romantic Era is largely considered to range from, oh let's say circa 1806 (Tilsit, Faust, Eroica, Prussian Reform movement, etc) until 1910, pre-WW I, Art Noveau, modernism or "post-modernism" (who can figure?), jazz, and what the Nazis called "degenerate art". RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 13:40, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Okay but what about the values themselves? Which are individualism, patriotism, innovation, inspiration, love for the rural, and rejection of statism. Those are all conservative values. --YankeeDoodleDandy (talk) 13:47, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Pseudo-philosophy. I live in the age of Rap music and Hip-Hop. Does that mean Rap values and Hip-Hop values are ascribed to all persons living in that time era, or only conservatives? (It should be noted, I am not basing this premise on the Marxist notion that "conservative" and "liberal" are polar opposites, either today or historically. I am using your premise that artistic movements can have some pseudo-political- ideological basis, which may be a valid premise. However, taking a broad artistic movement that swept the entire 19th century, that promoted Marxism in a limited sense, and labeling it as a "conservative value" seems a little over-wrought.
Prima facia, the idea appears to paint Romanticism as a reactionary movement against Rationalism, which buried Socialism for 100 years from the Paris Commune to the Bolshevik Revolution. In doing so, you elevate the values of The Enlightenment, scientific progress, and Marxism by denigrating conservatism.
It's basically a nihilistic argument, and not anywhere near being "enlightened" or "rational". To be polite, I won't even label it as "anti-conservative bigotry" which is par for the course in Stalinist and post-Stalinist times.) RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 14:04, 18 April 2020 (EDT)