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:::::When those questions are answered, then comes the question ''What is necessary for '''salvation'''?'', which leads to the question surrounding "baptism", and what does it mean "to be baptized."   
 
:::::When those questions are answered, then comes the question ''What is necessary for '''salvation'''?'', which leads to the question surrounding "baptism", and what does it mean "to be baptized."   
 
:::::IOWs, we sort of started in a reverse order here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:19, 12 October 2019 (EDT)
 
:::::IOWs, we sort of started in a reverse order here. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:19, 12 October 2019 (EDT)
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===Not to beat a dead horse...===
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Dataclarifer cites Mark 12:27 , ''You are badly misled'' where Christ responds with ''they neither marry nor are given in marriage'' to the question, "Who's wife shall she be in the afterlife?" Elsewhere, and cited on this page, are Christ's words, ''That which is flesh is flesh, that which is spirit is spirit''. Dataclarifier, evidently more from habit than deception or malice, mistakenly quotes a spiritual response to a question about the flesh. More recently he claims [https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Debate:_Does_Baptism_regenerate_or_is_it_symbolic%3F#God_is_too_stupid_to_make_himself_understood God uses matter and material means as vehicles of His Grace and Salvation. ]  A pattern emerges: Dataclarifier cannot discern between spirit and flesh, spiritual language and fleshly language; Dataclarifier has developed a habit over a long time of consciously, and sometimes unconsciously, misusing the Word of God.
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My advice o Dataclarifier: Stop using the word of God until God grants you authority to use it; ''everyone will have to give account on the day of judgment for every empty word they have spoken'' (NIV) - and this goes double for use and misuse of God's Word. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 20:14, 14 June 2020 (EDT)
    
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