Talk:Essay: Are ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity conservative values? Are maliciousness and vindictiveness conservative values?

Some people do not believe that Derek Chauvin received a fair trial. I count myself among that number.

The testimony of two witnesses to establish a fact.

To demonstrate the sheer futility of trying to have a conversation with some people whose brains are embalmed with ignorance, stubbornness, and stupidity, I will try to thumbnail a telephone conversation I had with someone who called me up to tell me what a bad guy Derek Chauvin was during Chauvin's trial.

The caller alleged, which I have no reason to doubt, that a few years back he was in Minneapolis on business and evidently was staying in or near Derek Chauvin's beat. Chauvin was alleged to have accosted him once or twice, as I recall, which I believe is entirely plausible. The caller claimed, the first time was for J-walking, and the second time was at a convenience store after dark about 10 o'clock at night in a high crime area. These he alleged were proof positive that Chauvin was a bad guy with no respect for other people's rights.

Why the caller called me with this information, I have no idea; possibly cause I may have voiced criticism of the trial in CP. But evidently, I was suppose to agree with him, based upon his word, that Chauvin was not only just a bad guy, but a bad guy toward white people, as well.

I attempted to point out, that in police work, what is considered good police work in an assigned area is for the cop to familiarize himself with the people living in the area he is assigned to, and the people he is suppose to protect - routine police work, rather than sitting on their butt and paying no attention to what is happening on their beat; and when a strange face shows up in a high crime, drug infested area (particularly from out-of-state, as allegedly, as I recall, the "victim" in this case was carded and ID'd with an out-of-state driver license when busted earlier for J-walking) after dark at a known drug trafficking location. "NO! NO! NO!", he began screaming into the phone, he didn't want to hear anymore of it. His lawbreaking for J-walking was entirely justified, and Chauvin had violated his rights by busting him, ID'ing him, and not writing him a ticket for the violation. Chauvin was a bad guy, even to white people, and that was that. I was suppose to agree with him, and that was that.

Needless to say, even though he never allowed me to finish my spiel about what is considered "good police work" because of his screaming at me on the phone, I began to doubt if live phone contact was any more rational than interacting with him on the internet. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:04, August 21, 2023 (EDT)

Disclosure: I have a brother who lives three blocks from where the George Floyd incident took place, and I myself in the 1980s lived briefly behind the Cub Food Store that was burnt down in the riots. The police precinct station that was burnt down was in that immediate vicinity as well, but I think it must've been built many years after I left. So I am well enough familiar with the area of Chauvin's beat, and where the caller was accosted by Chauvin twice.RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 18:30, August 21, 2023 (EDT)

Sinophobia?

As for Conservative's insertions on China's residents and the consumption of unclean meats, I would definitely contend that he is in no way a bigoted Sinophobe, rather hasty in how he phrases sentences. I believe his intended criticism was the atheistic Chinese culture, not collectively attacking Chinese people simply because a fraction of them in some regions, as my mother told me years ago, may engage in bizarre practices of eating "exotic delicacies" or whatever. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 10:56, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

What about sewage eating? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:01, September 20, 2023 (EDT)

Um, yeah, that's a bit of a harsh claim to make, and hopefully he has sufficient evidence to back up his assertions. Who knows? Maybe he has enough sources to create a whole "Atheism and sewage eating" article. My point here is more that I can see how Conservative is trying to vociferate ideologies but ends up attacking people too much. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 11:03, September 20, 2023 (EDT)