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==Taking a page from the boss's book==
 
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Well, now we have another list of lies with no evidence to back it up, such as the site's viewership going down since I returned; Robbybaby wants to blame it on me, but I'm counting all the remaining editors - and there are just a handful of them - and I can rightly blame Robbybaby for driving them all away.  Nobody wants to work with a jerk.
 
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So, since he is a jerk, as well as an arrogant, narcissistic little bully, the best way to deal with such an individual is right out of Andy's playbook, which is to ignore him.  Don't even talk to him, don't respond to him, don't even give him the time of day.  Just let him whine, scream, pout, whatever, because there's absolutely nothing he can do about it.  And he cannot block you for not talking to him, can he?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 18:53, October 7, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Yeah, man. If no-one acknowledges the bonkers guff he regularly inserts into articles and MPR, then that ... means it isn't there and the rest of the world can't see it either! This will definitely work. No notes. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 21:03, October 7, 2023 (EDT)
 
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==Hope you're proud of yourself now==
 
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'''Oct 1, 2023'''
 
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'''Oct. 2, 2023''' Karajou reactivated.
 
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'''Oct 6, 2023.'''
 
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[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:12, October 7, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:In order to successfully blame myself for this drop in numbers, people would need to look and see that I have returned, which would mean the viewing numbers would go up.  Nice try, moron. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 08:12, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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==Motion of no confidence==
 
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I am initiating a [[No confidence vote|vote of no confidence]] in [[User:RobSmith]]. Over the past few months, I have grown increasingly distressed with the state of Conservapedia. I would like to contribute good-quality conservative content, but I have not because of the shadow RobSmith casts over the encyclopedia. A by no means exhaustive list of grievances:
 
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*He is the king of "rules for thee, but not for me". He often complains about people "peeing all over the carpet" by joining in discussions they were not a part of. And yet he finds the need to respond to every thread over at [[User talk:Aschlafly]], adding his "two cents".
 
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*He claims that anything critical of Russia or Putin is [[Russophobic]]
 
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*He believes that he is responsible for the decrease in vandalism over the past few months, when anyone with a functioning brain would realize it is because creating new accounts is disabled
 
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*He believes that page protection is the first tool against vandalism. No. Blocks are used when the problem is the user, page protection is used when the problem is the page. Protecting pages because of one user just prevents [[good faith]] contributions to the page by other users.
 
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*His views on content are wildly off-base with those of the general readership of CP. See: [[Conservapedia:AFD Essay:Russian war crimes in Ukraine]]
 
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*He views any popular challenge to his authority as a [[mobocracy]], when it is simply an exercise in the taking the views of the [[best of the public]]
 
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*He needs to collaborate with ''everyone'', not just members of [[Team CP]]. There was no [[elitist]] gang of editors until RobSmith started one.
 
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The undersigned users endorse this statement and believe RobSmith needs to be de-sysoped for the good of Conservapedia, and humbly request Andy remove his admin rights:
 
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===Endorsements===
 
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#The problem is RobSmith, not the supposedly "Russophobic" contributors he keeps attacking. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 20:34, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:You're lucky this isn't the good old days; Karajou and User:Conservative would have just blocked you and deleted everything by now. Don't I get credit for stopping that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:08, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::How did *you* stop that? [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 21:11, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::Have you been blocked and this page deleted for initiating this vote? You know darn well Karajou and Cons would have booted your butt in 5 mins. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:18, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::I actually don't, given that I am a fairly new editor. And If I had initiated something like this without good cause, I would deserve to be blocked.
 
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#::::But you have not answered my main point: how did the actions of RobSmith change the dynamic at CP? [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 22:52, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::Read some of the items you enumerated above. You're just lucky you're still here, cause Karajou and User:Cons would have deleted any trace you ever existed if you tried anything like this with them. Heck, I'm the guy who created this place for people to come and air their grievances without fear of getting blocked. 23:07, October 9, 2023 (EDT) {{unsigned|RobSmith}}
 
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#:::::::Gorbachev opened up the USSR and it led to criticism of the system. And again, you have not addressed my point: what action(s) taken by you are preventing Karajou and/or Conservative from blocking me for criticising you? And know this: I am not trying to attack you. Your heart is in the right place. I am merely expressing the viewpoint that you need to be a regular editor while you learn how to be a net-positive to this wiki. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 23:27, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::I'm  not getting into our internal politics. Why haven't you taken the pledge to edit in [[good faith]]? All you've done here is cite a bunch of second and third hand hearsay, and don't have a personnel grievance yourself. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:39, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::What do you find objectional about this language, and what would you propose to improve it: "We the undersigned editors at '''Team CP''' pledge to work cooperatively with other signees as a cooperative editor to produce content for [[Conservapedia]] under the [[Conservapedia:Commandments]] and [[Conservapedia:Guidelines]]. We pledge to treat other editors with dignity and respect, and not engage in ceaseless acts of incivility, [[edit war]]ring, and [[trolling]], etc. We pledge to make, good, well researched content for Conservapedia readers. We pledge to work together as cooperative editors, and not engage in unnecessary, senseless trivial disputes, personality clashes, carry grudges, and to work for a spirit of cooperation among editors."
 
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#::::::::: [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:42, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::::My personal grievance is it is destroying this website. And I ask that you withdraw your comment "Don't I get credit for stopping that?" if you are unwilling or unable to back it up with sources. And I strongly object to the line "We the undersigned editors at '''Team CP''' pledge to work cooperatively ''with other signees''" (bold in original, italics mine). At a wiki, you work cooperatively with ''everyone'', even if they don't particularly want to work cooperatively with you. That is a basic tenant of editing that anyone with SkipCaptcha should know, let alone an admin. I would also consider asking Andy why he has not signed your pledge if you want to know why people have not signed it. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 23:53, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::::::I don't need to, cause I did. I don't block on sight editors such as yourself who engage in the type of conduct you are engaging in right now - that's one of my reforms. You have no personnel grievance, yet are soliciting a conspiracy against another editor. That's [[bad faith editing]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:59, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::::::::::So upholding a basic sense of decency to allow constructive criticism is a "reform" you want credit for? Inflation is coming down, but that doesn't mean we should re-elect Joe Biden. And I absolutely have a personal grievance: I want CP to thrive. You are acting as an impediment to that. And if you understood what the phrase "good faith" means, you would know it is a belief that you are doing good ''regardless of if you are successful or not''. I believe I am being successful, but even if I am not, it is still [[good faith]] editing ''because I believe I am''. Something any editor should know. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 00:04, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::::::::::The fact you just redirected [[bad faith editing]] to an entry of inappropriate behaviour says a lot. Bad faith editing is about ''faith''. You might be trying to accuse me of ''disruptive'' editing? [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 00:07, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::::::::No, the Etiquette section still needs rounding out, but it has the link to the specific section you are in violation of right now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:12, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::::::::See, we've had problems at this website in the past that too often were met with the sledgehammer by Karajou and User:Conservative. You have no discernible complaint, as far as I can tell. Specifically mentioned in the Guidelines: '''Flaming or flame wars; posting user disputes over multiple pages.''' And you don't even have a personnel dispute or grievance. As an Admin, I make a judgement call to call that "[[trolling]]". Now I can issue a warning, or a suggestion. I'll begin with a suggestion: My suggestion is you stop trolling, me, other users, and this website.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:19, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::::::::::::Let's go over this again. I believe I am helping CP => I am acting in good faith. By definition. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 00:22, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::::::::::Ok. You may believe that in your mind, and I'm not challenging that. As a 16-year senior veteran Administrator on this site, I see things quite differently; I see someone who is not familiar with our rules and guidelines, a wayward child as it were, who needs to be guided back to the right path. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:32, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::::::::::::::Good. We can agree that I "believe that in [my] mind". Which means that your assertion that I am partaking in "bad faith editing" is patently false and a [[personal attack]]. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 00:50, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::::::::::::::No it doesn't it. It means I, in good faith, respect your assessment of your own conduct in violation of our Guidelines as being in good faith. And it also means by my Adminship, I believe you are in error, and my job is to steer you back to a proper course. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:55, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:(outdenting) RobSmith, I thought we had an agreement. I am acting in good faith, yes? Which means that I am not partaking in bad faith editing. Pretty simple logic. What part of that do you need me to explain again? [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 00:58, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:I would love it if you could persuade one (1) other person that your view is correct. I have already convinced two (2) people that you are in the wrong, which is more than have signed up for your [[Team CP]]. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 00:59, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::I said, I believe and respected your belief that you were acting in good faith. I now believe, since you've been showed chapter and verse the type of editing that you engaged in - which there is no way to undo short of issuing several public retractions and apologies - can be considered trolling activity. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:02, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::Do you believe [[trolling]] is the same thing as [[bad faith editing]]? Hint: they are not. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 01:05, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::That's a very good question. I'd be interested to sit back and hear you expound on the matter. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:08, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::I asked the question, oh wise administrator. Guide me; show me the light. Explain the difference between trolling and bad faith editing, please. I am, after all, a newbie and need to be guided by a powerful administrator who is respected such as yourself. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 01:12, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::Oh, ok. Nevermind. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 01:21, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::::Are you incapable of answering that basic question? You don't get to hand-wave this away. '''What is the difference between bad faith editing and trolling'''? [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 07:40, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:Another complaint: RobSmith has reverted me with no comment when I remove unattributed quotes. See: [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Bucha_massacre&diff=1992526&oldid=1992463]. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 11:00, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::He has now re-added the material, this time with a source. Just one problem: '''''the source does not support the given assertion'''''. That is an egregious violation of [[academic integrity]]. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 11:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#'''Agree with motion of no confidence.''' [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:45, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#'''<b>Absolutely agreed without a doubt. Remove RobSmith's “Administrator” tag ASAP.</b>''' —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 21:38, October 9, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#'''Agree:''' Rob's coverage of the war in Ukraine is flat-out bonkers, pro-Putin fan fiction. It's brimming with [[deceit]] and, as it regularly splashes over on to MPR, you've got actual plague signs on your front door for any minimally informed, new conservative readers / editors. Many socks died over the years trying for a similar effect. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 17:10, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:Yep. We take a hardline stance against Nazism and the real Nazis cry ouch and come crawling out of the woodwork. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:53, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::Is it possible to be anti-Putin and anti-Nazi at the same time? Hint: does 2+2=4? [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 18:46, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::In the context of the [[Ukraine war]], no. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:49, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::It's Nazis all the way down, man. The swines probably bio-engineered your brain worms, too. Like, on their moonbase or something. [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:53, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::Although I was recently delighted to obtain the book ''Alice in Wonderland'' in both text and audio, I generally prefer nonfiction over fiction. So I don't go down the rabbit holes of RobSmith's fictional encyclopedia entries or talk page posts. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:04, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::Absolutely, unequivocally false. Stalin fought Hitler, but that does not mean we must support Stalin or else be Nazis. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 19:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::Here's the Catch-22 many anti-Putin and anti-Russian [[bigot]]s painted themselves into: Putin says: "We're going to war against Nazism". Critics says, "Oh, that's just Putin propaganda for the stupid Russian masses", which of course then makes you a Russophobic Nazi bigot. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:15, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::::Putin can go to war against Nazism, and still be responsible for the murder of Litvinenko and countless others. Your simplistic view of the war is that there must be a good side and a bad side. Guess what? In real life (something you, a realist, should care an awful lot about), both sides can be bad. [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]] ([[User talk:MayGodBless|talk]]) 21:24, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::::No, I think that's the charge that could made against critics - being simplistic. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:17, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#'''Agree:''' Sometimes Rob sounds like he means well, but then he deletes good content, acts abusively towards other good-faith editors, and pushes pro-communism views. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:19, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:Being anti-Nazi is not pro-communist - unless you somehow got Nazi = conservative confused. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:31, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:Yeah, RobSmith has become a full Communist shill for the past year. He has admitted that aligning with Communists is a supposedly necessary effort to fight off the Ukrainian Nazis, and thus stifles any meaningful anti-Communist exposé because he believes in the neo-Marxist and neo-Nazi narrative that "Nazism = anti-Communism," while conservatives by contrast acknowledge that both National Socialism and Marxist Socialism are very similar far-left ideologies. He rollbacked my well-substantiated, highly sourced edits [[Special:Diff/1991943|here]] and then slandered me on Andy's talk page as a "Nazisymp." I in no way excused Nazism; I simply pointed out that Communists let Nazis into power. The sooner he is defrocked, the better, so Conservapedia finally purges this cancerous stain. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 22:45, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::The problem basically is editors falling for Western propaganda alleging that Vladimir Putin is a communist, or that the Russian Federation is attempting to re-create the Soviet Union. If you bit off on that line of garbage (which you were warned against), don't be surprised if you were labeled a nazisymp. Just as you unfairly labeled Putin and Russia as "communist", now it boomerangs back at you - especially since NATO and the West has lost the war. It would have been easier to listen and pay attention earlier. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::Ah yes, I referred to the wrong brand of communism, and made the unforgivable sin of calling it just that. To an outside observer they are nearly identical, but in this perverse "king of the communist mountain" game, it apparently makes all the difference. That's why Germany and Russia were enemies in WWII. Each was under an authoritarian system which crushed the populace under the boot of the corrupt regime in power. I wondered if you would jump to the defense of today's rebranded Leninism when I wrote that. Sadly, I'm not surprised that you did. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 02:58, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::I'm afraid you lost me. If Germany & Russia were such authoritarian communist allies, what were they fighting over for years that tens of millions were caught up in and killed? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:45, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#'''Agree'''.  Continually lying; blatantly hostile towards others.  Acts like he owns this website. [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 08:10, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:"Toxic leaders work to promote themselves at the expense of their subordinates...". - Lieutenant Colonel Darrell W. Aubrey, United States Army, [https://www.moore.army.mil/MCOE/EO/content/pdf/RL/The%20Effect%20of%20Toxic%20Leadership.pdf The Effect of Toxic Leadership]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:05, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::Some of the most active people in Conservapedia's user complaints section in recent history need introductory knowledge of interpersonal relations such as these: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w97dR3OJB1k&list=PLWo-PXvaXLADKaXY8q73c84UKQzr7YMjn&index=1 Interpersonal relations] and ''How to Win Friends and Influence People'' by Dale Carnegie. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:38, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::Over the last year or so, RobSmith has been the most active person in the Conservapedia User complaints. It's good that there is starting to be a growing realization that the complaints need to be directed towards him. He is one of Conservapedia's biggest problems right now and so is Conservapedia's technical problems. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 11:38, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::Oh, so you advocate for making Conservapedia a hot bed of Holocaust revisionism, too. Huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 11:52, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:I put my above two posts in the wrong section initially. So I moved them to the right section. I already commented on the Holocaust issue below. I said I did not like LT's lead version. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:46, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::That was commendable. But you never know when to leave well enough alone. Always stirring up caca with a stick. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:49, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::Actually, I could have chosen to promote User: MayGodBless' motion of no confidence vote concerning your adminship so it would have about 10 votes. Nevertheless, I did vote in favor of it. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:57, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::I'm afraid, once again, you've demonstrated that you can't see the forest from the trees. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:59, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::You are the one who put User:LT up to his [[Holocaust revisionism]]:
 
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#:::[[Conservapedia:Community_Portal#Somebody_made_a_great_point_about_Communism_being_deadlier_than_Nazism.]] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:02, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::::There is not a single vote indicating that people have confidence in your adminship. It is you who does not see the forest or the individual trees.
 
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#::::NischantXavier said that historically communism has been numerically deadlier than Nazism. I agree with this because it is true. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:06, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::This isn't the place to debate that. Nonetheless, it appears User:LT was encouraged by your posting. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:09, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:Keep grasping your at your straws. Speaking of grasping at straws, I find your April 2020 fixation very humorous. Setting people who had personal/family birthdays, anniversaries and other non war in Ukraine events aside, I bet I could approach 5,000 people and not a single one of them could tell me what they were doing on April 9, 2020. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:16, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::I never said living with the prospect of [[nuclear war]] minute to minute was a cause to celebrate.
 
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#::Just put the ladle down, you've stirred up enough caca. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:25, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::::I'm looking forward to your next piece: [[Essay:Israeli war crimes in Gaza]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:14, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:In 2022, more than half of Americans (55%) had favorable views of Israel.[https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2022/07/11/american-views-of-israel/]  I bet it's even higher now.  In February of 2023, less than 10% of Americans have a favorable view of Putin".[https://www.murphy.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/murphy-the-republicans-lifting-up-putin-are-the-same-ones-trying-to-destroy-democracy]
 
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#::But feel free to get on your hamster wheel of Russian cheerleading. But you don't seem to be making much progress at Conservapedia judging by your recent AfD vote. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:42, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::bla bla bla you got your own [[Nazi apologetics]] to worry about. Just put the ladle down and stop digging. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 13:47, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::"Negative sentiment toward Russia and Putin has increased by double digits in nearly every middle-income country since 2019. For instance, 74% now express a negative view of Putin in Argentina, up from 51% four years ago." - Pew Research.[https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/07/10/large-shares-see-russia-and-putin-in-negative-light-while-views-of-zelensky-more-mixed/] Et tu, middle-income countries? [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:50, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::If all the kids jumped in the lake, would you, too? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:04, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#:::Modern Russian propaganda is of a better quality than Soviet propaganda, but I still find it humorous that some Westerners have bought into Russian propaganda hook line and sinker.  Perhaps some of them will change their mind in 2030 or 2035 when the fruit of some of Putin's recent follies come more into fruition. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:13, October 12, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#'''Agree:'''  I'm going to weigh in here with [[User:MayGodBless|MayGodBless]], [[User:Conservative|Conservative]], [[User:LT|LT]], [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]], [[User:DavidB4|DavidB4]] and [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] and agree, particularly with all of MayGodBless's original points above (particularly the first one - especially in Rob's accusations against other posters, and even fellow admins, of what he is guilty of doing and saying himself [i.e. trolling/incivility, etc.], his playing the "victim" when called out, and his inherent need to snark against his critics not just on Andy's talk page, but on ''any other talk page'' as he sees fit, and even to hide critical comments against him through his abuse of warning collapse templates to keep those comments from being seen), and add in more reasons why Rob not only needs to be de-sysoped (again - and this time, ''permanently''), but to have his blocking privileges removed to prevent the abuse thereof by him for spite against his critics:
 
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#:*He unjustly and spitefully blocks anyone who stands up to him for his abuses of power and his behavior here (particularly to me, '''14 times as of this post''', just to try to make an example of me) and his critics' criticism thereof, which only further proves the first of the points noted above;
 
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#:*In the fourth point (his unnecessary protection of pages), he reverts reversions of edits made by liberal editors that inserted LPOV edits, then protected the pages to protect the favored LPOV edits and keep them from being re-reverted;
 
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#:*He openly and snarkily defies fellow admins like Conservative and Karajou and, as the first point notes, he thinks the rules don't apply to him, he thinks he can do whatever he pleases and he thinks he is "protected" against/immune to criticism and sanctioning against him for his words/actions, to the point of even defying Andy himself when he sees fit; basically put, this is January/February 2021 all over again, when Rob began coming unhinged over the outcome of the 2020 election and the January 6 protests and started acting like a supporter of the Biden regime in response and started acting out against the critics of his behavior until Andy put a stop to it by de-sysoping him and revoking his other privileges (including blocking, for the reason I noted above);
 
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#:*He even claims that "site viewership has gone down" since Karajou's return and posted "evidence" claiming such - but I call shenanigans on that, as such claims (as posted in [[Conservapedia:User complaints#Hope you're proud of yourself now|the section above]]) can easily be faked with Photoshop
 
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#:Long story short, Rob is the direct reason I have had to curtail my activity on this site for the past two-plus years since his reinstatement of admin privileges and subsequent abuse thereof as he sees fit ([https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Aschlafly&diff=prev&oldid=1991681 which Karajou was right on the mark about]).  So, in this event, the right thing to do here is for Rob to be dealt with as is needed and to see to it that he can never again abuse his power with impunity.  [[User:Northwest|Northwest]] ([[User talk:Northwest|talk]]) 07:50, October 26, 2023 (EDT)
 
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#::Some of the POV RobSmith inserted never made any sense to begin with. [[Special:Diff/1955323|Here]], you see that he's almost trying to conflate Nazism with neoliberalism, which only a hardcore neo-Marxist would ever reach the extents of ridiculously feverish fantasy-conjuring depths of acute delusion to say with a straight face. Neoliberalism is the resurgence of conservative liberalism (the right wing of classical liberalism) that emphasizes deregulation and free-market capitalism to spur worldwide economic growth. Did Nazis then and now ever support classical liberalism? Do not the neo-Nazis and broader "alt-right" vilify neoliberalism?
 
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#::Long story short: RobSmith's edit on the National Socialism article promotes the Marxist narrative that the Nazis were not Socialists, but instead were and are a bunch of greedy evil capitalist shills. First by labeling Obama and Biden's administrations "neoliberal," he ignores that they have continuously promoted socialist policies. By even pointlessly throwing around "neoliberal" at all in the article as if there's a positive correlation to Nazism, it feeds nothing short of a far-left narrative that could've been written by a Comintern propagandist. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 08:37, October 26, 2023 (EDT)
 
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Hi Andy, to let you know, I'm more than happy to pour in hours more time to add conservative content to this wiki and do what I can to flourish page view growth. However, I cannot do that if my additions are reverted. For example, more recently [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Holocaust&action=history here], my edits were point-blank rollbacked with no reason given, with the page locked, because the rollbacker, a bitter opponent of reality he cannot face, decided I was too anti-Communist (I provided quality citations, but those were ignored).
 
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I very much hope you would like to retain my presence on the site so I can gain extra page views for you, as much as I myself would like to. But I cannot do that any longer if my good-faith edits for the cause of advancing conservative values are removed. Please make the right decision here; thank you. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Sunday, 17:24, October 8, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:No, Conservapedia is not going to allow [[nazi apologist]]s to blame the Holocaust on Communists. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:28, October 8, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:And it's insulting to sit here and listen to your attempts to deny the Holocaust was solely the responsibility of Nazis, and shift the blame to Communists, and call that "conservative content".
 
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:If you had used talk pages properly as what they were intended for, rather than trolling, your edits would not have been reverted on sight without discussion. Just as you had spent much time in researching those edits, and I know you did, it also takes much to engage in the type of trolling you have engaged in over the past week and a little longer. Yes, I know, your edits ''do have a place in Conservapedia'', only not on the [[Holocaust]] entry. There was one other series of edits, I also felt did not belong on another page but perhaps elsewhere. You are the one who has refused discussion of content, hence you were reverted.  [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:54, October 8, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Oh, I'm a Nazi apologist because I point out that Communists helped Nazis get into power? I'd call your lying hide a turd, but you're such an abominable stink to humanity and abhorrent to the point of being unfit for composting. As the old saying goes, '''ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.''' Thus also saith the scriptures, '''all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.''' When you scream and howl as you burn in hellfire, about to face eternal destruction, no sympathy will be found from me as you look up and find the saints disgusted that a piece of garbage like you ever came out of a womb. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 22:52, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::You can do that, but you can't do it on the Holocaust page. The Communists were not responsible for the Holocaust. The same article lists Communists in the paragraphs before your insertion  as the next target for Nazi extermination in the Holocaust.
 
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:::You need to learn how to use Talk pages properly; and Conservapedia is not going to be a platform for nazi apologetics, which is exactly what you tried to insert, knowingly or unknowingly, into the Holocaust page. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 22:58, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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{{warning collapse|reason=personal attack|content=::::Keep up your lies, and you will find yourself deeper in the lake to come, submerged in the depths of fire and brimstone and drowning in the stinking burnt smell of brimstone only to find your own hide of greater rottenness. When the vengeance of eternal fire consumes you to annihilation, no remaining redeemed person will ever remember the existence of your worthless excuse of a human soul, because by your iniquities you deserve to wail and scream in the judgment of decibel torment for all the works of perdition you carried out by the power of your father the devil. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 23:03, October 10, 2023 (EDT)
 
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{{cquote|And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, '''that they which commit such things are worthy of death''', not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.|||Romans 1:28–32}}
 
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::::You, ☭RobSmith☭, are a key example of the wicked "people" the Apostle Paul condemns. And you ''know'' you deserve eternal death. You are of your father the devil, and into eternal damnation you will join your father. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 23:06, October 10, 2023 (EDT)}}
 
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::::Re: LT.  I told LT putting that communist material was inappropriate for the lede of the Holocaust article and I explained why to him privately. It belongs somewhere else in the main space. Hopefully, this will end the conflict. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:11, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::I also told him that gratuitously telling people that their father is the devil (including myself) is not only ridiculous, but it virtually guarantees that people will not want to cooperate with him. And for that matter, RobSmith gratuitously calling every Tom, Dick and Harry that they are Nazis is also ridiculous. I recall reading my father's copy of Dale Carnegie's book ''How to Win Friends and Influence People'' and there was no chapter about gratuitously calling people children of the devil or Nazis. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:19, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::My insertion does belong in the lede section. Had not the Communists abetted the Nazis in the Berlin transport strike, Hitler may never have seized supreme power and been able to mass-murder six million Jews. You understand this, right? —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 17:25, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Now, I know you're simply looking for a simple compromise, Conservative, and I appreciate you unblocking me. You still need to keep the relevant factual record in mind, notwithstanding. Conservapedia has no reason to become another Comsymp website. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 17:29, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::This is [[Holocaust revisionism]]. The best 'compromise' for a [[nazi apologia]] like you propose would be to write an [[Essay:Why Communists are responsible for the Holocaust]]. Even at that, I suspect you'd meet resistance. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:39, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::::{{Personal remark removed}} —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 17:42, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::LT not only tried to imply Communists were responsible for the Holocaust, he likewise removed any reference to Communists being victims. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:31, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::"bUt ComMunIstS wErE viCtIms oF nAzI pErSecUTioN" The Communists brought the Nazis to power in the 1932 Berlin transport strike, and as with all ☭''Real Socialism''☭™, the stalwart lackeys are the first to be deposed for knowing too much. Not that Nazism is ever justifiable (except ''arguably'', depending on how loosely you define "Nazism," in Nanjing where John Rabe saved countless Chinese lives from Japanese war criminals who [[CCP-Japanese conspiracy|colluded with the CCP]]), and yet God can use the most evil people to serve his will in judgments, evident in countless Communists getting killed by the very Nazis they brought into power. (don't even think about taking what I said here out of context)
 
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:::::So says the scripture: "Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword." (Matthew 26:52) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 17:40, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::Study this Guideline: [[Conservapedia:Topic bans]], cause that's the next step. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:54, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::It's quite obvious what's going on here - and I'm not pointing the finger at any one editor or group of editors - I'm pointing the finger at the information sources they have allowed themselves to absorb over the past 20 months. The argument is, 'Putin and Russia are communists who are responsible for the Holocaust, and therefore that justifies lending aid and support to Nazi democratic freedom fighters.' That my friends, is in error. And it's best to just stop thrashing about in the water when you're about to go under for the 3rd time.  Just sit up, take note, note that you have been deceived for the past 20 months, eat the loss and move on. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:18, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::My man, for the past 20 months you've been serving us nowt but reheated QAnon NWO guff with the satanic pedos swapped out for globalist Nazis. And you ''still'' haven't had the decency to write me a moonbase into your fan fiction despite countless polite requests. Is it really that much to ask? [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 18:47, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::::I realize you'd like to see CP transitioned into a hot bed of Holocaust revisionism, but it's not happening. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:57, October 11, 2023 (EDT)
 

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