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:::::Woah..woah...hold up. No demands or complaints from me. Thus far I've only pushed buttons; testing the sensitive spots for a reaction. All I did was attempt to open a possible door for you, as another approach for you to argue for evolution. Hence the Panda's thumb theory, which was more of a test to see if you've heard of the theory. You might like it. Point being: the best argument(s) attempting to prove a point should always be willing to counter the best argument(s) on the other side, which of course are trying to prove different point. You say, ''"Even if evolution turned out to be a big hoax, at least I can say that I believed in what seemed like the most rational answer to an unbelievably complex question."'' The logic you're using to make that conclusion, I find it interesting -- so, earlier I 'prodded' for more (or 'baited'). But it seems like you're judging me based on the community I enjoy being a part of, not on what I have said to you. I was only asking questions and looking for a logical, concise answer. Nothing more and nothing less. [[User:DerekE|DerekE]] 01:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)
:::::Woah..woah...hold up. No demands or complaints from me. Thus far I've only pushed buttons; testing the sensitive spots for a reaction. All I did was attempt to open a possible door for you, as another approach for you to argue for evolution. Hence the Panda's thumb theory, which was more of a test to see if you've heard of the theory. You might like it. Point being: the best argument(s) attempting to prove a point should always be willing to counter the best argument(s) on the other side, which of course are trying to prove different point. You say, ''"Even if evolution turned out to be a big hoax, at least I can say that I believed in what seemed like the most rational answer to an unbelievably complex question."'' The logic you're using to make that conclusion, I find it interesting -- so, earlier I 'prodded' for more (or 'baited'). But it seems like you're judging me based on the community I enjoy being a part of, not on what I have said to you. I was only asking questions and looking for a logical, concise answer. Nothing more and nothing less. [[User:DerekE|DerekE]] 01:10, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::::::Fair enough, but you can understand why this discussion might feel like hitting one’s head against a brick wall for me. It is pointless to bother answering questions when I know that no possible response will be taken seriously. With regards to the panda thumb, it does sound interesting, but I know very little about pandas and cannot begin to speculate on its evolutionary history. I personally can’t think of any reasons why it would throw a wrench in evolution’s gears, but I would be interested to see these theories you mentioned. I also apologize if it seemed like I was attacking you specifically. I realize that I am talking to several different people in here, and it can be difficult keep the arguments from blending together. I actually have no problem with creationism or those who believe in it. I come from a religious family and I certainly don’t think of my mother as dumb for her beliefs. She knows that her beliefs are based on faith, and although we disagree on the matter, I accept her difference of opinion. However, she doesn’t feel the need to discredit evolution because if you truly have faith in creationism, there is no need to. I respect that. I believe that my brother’s belief is more integrative. There is, after all, nothing about evolution that cannot fit into the central doctrines of Christianity. The only concession is that several stories in the Bible would need to be interpreted metaphorically rather than literally. I’ve always considered this to be a better interpretation anyway, but many people do not wish to make that concession. Fair enough. My pet peeve is hypocrisy. A truly faithful creationist should have no vested interest in evolution and shouldn’t really care what side of the debate science supports. A casual interest in the matter would be fine. There’s nothing wrong with being curious about other people’s explanations. However, if a creationist decides that he or she is going to enter the science debate and fervently argue against evolution on scientific grounds, they have forfeited their “faith” argument. They have made it clear that they do believe scientific evidence is important, and thus they have to play by the same rules as evolutionists. If they try not to, I will call them on it. Admittedly, I was also trying to push some buttons. Andy has implied that there is scientific evidence for creationism, but it seems to be some closely guarded secret that nobody will share. I was trying to evoke someone into spilling the beans. It didn’t work. [[User:Insufficient|Insufficient]] 14:59, 11 December 2009 (EST)
::: I believe that that was a simplified version of evelotion. Books upon books have been written on the subject. It can be summed up in a few sentences, but then it is lacking in the crucial details you all demand.
::: I believe that that was a simplified version of evelotion. Books upon books have been written on the subject. It can be summed up in a few sentences, but then it is lacking in the crucial details you all demand.