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Debate: Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 08:43, November 19, 2019
, 08:43, November 19, 2019→The issue of "issues": copy of material posted at Talk:Infant baptism responding to RS comment about salvation being a "real nail-biter"
:::John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." 1 Peter 3:21 "Baptism doth save you now". Titus 3:5-7 "He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the λουτρού water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 00:37, 19 November 2019 (EST)
:::John 3:5 "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." 1 Peter 3:21 "Baptism doth save you now". Titus 3:5-7 "He saved us, not because of deeds done by us in righteousness, but in virtue of his own mercy, by the λουτρού water-washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit which he poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that we might be justified by his grace and become heirs in hope of eternal life." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 00:37, 19 November 2019 (EST)
:::"''For you, my friend, salvation is a real nail-biter - cause you don't know whether or not you are saved.''"—'''True. Even St. Paul did not know with certainty:''' <br> '''Philippians 3:10-16''' (Compare '''John 15:4-6'''.)<br> "'''Therefore let any one who thinks he stands ''take heed lest he fall.'' 1 Corinthians 10:12'''.<br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:22, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:::You said, "''For you, my friend, salvation is a real nail-biter - cause you don't know whether or not you are saved.''"<br>—'''True. Even St. Paul did not know with certainty:''' <br> '''Philippians 3:10-16''' (Compare '''John 15:4-6'''.)<br> "'''Therefore let any one who thinks he stands ''take heed lest he fall.'' 1 Corinthians 10:12'''.<br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:22, 18 November 2019 (EST)
:::You do not fear. All of the following scriptures were addressed by Paul to believers in the churches, not to unbelievers:
:::"Having therefore these promises, '''dearly beloved''', let us cleanse '''ourselves''' from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the '''fear of God'''." 2 Corinthians 7:1
:::"Submitting '''yourselves''' to one another in the '''fear of God'''." Ephesians 5:21
:::"Servants, be obedient to them that are ''your'' masters according to the flesh, '''with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ'''; Not with eye-service, as men-pleasers; but as '''the servants of Christ''', doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that '''whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord''', whether ''he be'' bond or free." Ephesians 6:5-8
:::"Wherefore, '''my beloved''', as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, '''work out your own salvation with <big>fear and trembling</big>'''." Philippians 2:12
:::"Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may '''fear'''." 1 Timothy
:::"Let us therefore '''fear''', lest, a promise being left '''''us''''' of entering into his rest, '''any of you''' should seem to come short of it." Hebrews 4:1
:::"Wherefore '''we''' receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let '''us''' have grace, whereby '''we''' may serve God acceptably '''with reverence and godly fear: For our God ''is'' a consuming fire.'''" Hebrews 12:28-29
:::"And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons '''judgeth according to every man's work''', pass the time of '''your''' sojourning ''here'' '''in fear'''" 1 Peter 1:17
:::"'''Fear God'''" 1 Peter 2:17
:::"While they behold '''your chaste conversation''' ''coupled'' with '''fear'''." 1 Peter 3:15
:::"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that thou shouldest give '''reward unto thy servants and the prophets, and to the saints, and them that <big>fear thy name</big> small and great'''; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth." Revelation 11:18
:::"'''Fear God''', and give glory to him" Revelation 14:7
:::"Who shall not '''fear thee, O Lord''', and glorify thy name? for ''thou'' only ''art'' holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest." Revelation 15:4
:::"And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye his servants, and ye that '''fear him''', both small and great." Revelation 19:5 (''the wicked do not praise God'', only those that fear him, his servants'')
:::"'''There is no fear of God before their eyes'''"—"They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one. Their throat is an open sepulcher; with their tongues '''they have used deceit'''; the poison of asps ''is'' under their lips: Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness: Their feet ''are'' swift to shed blood: Destruction and misery ''are'' in their ways: And the way of peace have they not known: '''''There is no fear of God before their eyes'''''. Romans 3:18, 3:12-18
:::Paul did not write this last passage about believing Christians who truly fear God, but only about the wicked and unbelieving: There is no fear of God before their eyes. You have ridiculed the fear of Christians, who love God and fear to offend him and reverently and fearfully trust in his mercy, as I and St. Paul and all those who obeyed him in the fear of the Lord.
:::You have no fear of God. There is no fear of God before your eyes. That is the attitude of the wicked who boast against God that they have no need to fear his judgment. This is evident in your consistently blatant defiant rejection and twisting of the words of Scripture against the plain words of Scripture as being against the word of Jesus Christ himself about water "Except a man be born again of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." "Baptism saves you now." "If he refuses to hear the Church, let him be unto you as a publican and a pagan" (''unclean''). <br> "''Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, '''to repay <big>every one</big> for what he has done.''' I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end. Blessed are those who '''wash their robes''', that they may have the right to the tree of life, and that they may enter the city by the gates.''"
:::You have consistently proven here and elsewhere on Conservapedia that you are not the one to help anyone understand scripture ([[Cafeteria Christianity]], [[Confirmation bias]]). You have demonstrated that you are no biblical scholar. You have no competent knowledge of the Greek New Testament and its vocabulary and syntax and semantic import in context both immediate and within the whole. You have been badly misled (Mark 12:24) by [[Specious reasoning]] which cancels the word of God '''2 Peter 3:15-18'''. You disobeyed those who were over you in the Lord '''Hebrews 13:17'''. You "went out from us" '''1 John 2:18-19'''. And you teach a different gospel from the one you had received '''Galatians 1:6-9'''. There is no fear of God before your eyes, because of the false, condemned doctrine of [[Eternal security (salvation)|Eternal security]] and salvation by "faith alone", a sin of presumption which the Bible itself condemns '''James 2:12-26''' (in all of the scriptures cited about about fearing God). <br> "''Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.''" If you really desire to do the will of God, you will return to the truth of the Gospel of the Lord. James 5:19-20.<br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 03:26, 19 November 2019 (EST)