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<--The determination is based upon the discretion of the local investigating officer.  He is not mandated to discern the sexual orientation of the offender, only the offenders race.  Therein lies the statistical flaw.

<--The determination is based upon the discretion of the local investigating officer.  He is not mandated to discern the sexual orientation of the offender, only the offenders race.  Therein lies the statistical flaw.

And secondly, in what state, or in what federal law, are law enforcement agencies mandated to keep statistics of domestic abuse in homosexual relationships?  If we are to contemplate things such as so-called "gay marriage", then what may be appropriate is to investigate the level of domestic abuse in homosexual relationships.  And I believe, it may be credibily proven, homosexual relationships suffer from a distinctly higher proportion of violence than heterosexual relationships -- and the law may as of now, not take any consideration of this in compiling statisitcs for us to make a judgemental value.

And secondly, in what state, or in what federal law, are law enforcement agencies mandated to keep statistics of domestic abuse in homosexual relationships?  If we are to contemplate things such as so-called "gay marriage", then what may be appropriate is to investigate the level of domestic abuse in homosexual relationships.  And I believe, it may be credibly proven, homosexual relationships suffer from a distinctly higher proportion of violence than heterosexual relationships -- and the law may as of now, not take any consideration of this in compiling statistics for us to make a judgmental value.

Thirdly, ''"it does not seem that the FBI '''intends''' for this kind of crime to be reported"''.  It makes no difference what the FBI's "intent" is, the FBI is mandated by law to keep track of protected groups in hate crime reporting.  Therein lies the problem, this legal mandate dictates a statistical and biased error in reporting, which likely is intended to lead the public to a faulty conclusion, i.e. that anti-homosexual violence is solely the responsibility of heterosexuals.  Given what I've stated above, if heterosexuals are to be responsibile to insure against anti-homosexual violence, and if a disproportionate degree of reported "hate crimes" are perpetrated by homosexual offenders upon homosexuals, then the heterosexual community deserves accurate reporting on such, '''''before''''' heterosexuals are asked to pass judgement upon recognizing the legal validity of domestic, homosexual partnerships.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:34, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Thirdly, ''"it does not seem that the FBI '''intends''' for this kind of crime to be reported"''.  It makes no difference what the FBI's "intent" is, the FBI is mandated by law to keep track of protected groups in hate crime reporting.  Therein lies the problem, this legal mandate dictates a statistical and biased error in reporting, which likely is intended to lead the public to a faulty conclusion, i.e. that anti-homosexual violence is solely the responsibility of heterosexuals.  Given what I've stated above, if heterosexuals are to be responsible to insure against anti-homosexual violence, and if a disproportionate degree of reported "hate crimes" are perpetrated by homosexual offenders upon homosexuals, then the heterosexual community deserves accurate reporting on such, '''''before''''' heterosexuals are asked to pass judgment upon recognizing the legal validity of domestic, homosexual partnerships.  [[User:RobS|RobS]] 12:34, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

 

:[[User:RobS|RobS]], when you say ''the FBI is mandated by law to keep track of protected groups in hate crime reporting'' it seems like you believe that the law requires '''all''' crimes against homosexuals to be reported as anti-homosexual hate crimes.  Do I have this right?  This is not my understanding of the law, and I think all our differences hinge on this one point.  If you are right, then I would agree with much of what you are saying - the FBI statistics would be virtually meaningless.  Or are you making a more nuanced argument?  Something like "police officers may mistakenly perceive any crime against a homosexual as a hate crime, especially if they do not determine the sexual orientation of the offender, thus they may include crimes in the statistics that do not belong there (for example gay-on-gay domestic violence crimes)".  Am I getting closer to understanding you?  Either way, do you have any references to flesh out your concerns?  --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 13:20, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

== References for Anti-homosexual violence discussion ==

== References for Anti-homosexual violence discussion ==