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Lastly, what makes DeSantis exceptional is his work ethic, his uncompromising resolve, and his intense discipline and devotion to the mission. In times like these, that is what Americans will gravitate to." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:28, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
Lastly, what makes DeSantis exceptional is his work ethic, his uncompromising resolve, and his intense discipline and devotion to the mission. In times like these, that is what Americans will gravitate to." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 09:28, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
==Election news==
==Election news (if you can believe any of it)==
2016: "Trump works for Putin"; 2020: "Biden on the take from Ukraine is a lie".
'''Heads up:''' '''[[Biden junta]] appoints [[Clapper]] & [[John Brennan|Brennan]]''' of [[Russiagate hoax]] & [[Laptop from Hell]] fame to new 'Homeland Intelligence Experts Group' in advance of the [[2024 Presidential election|2024 elections]]. [https://thepostmillennial.com/breaking-biden-admin-appoints-former-intel-officers-who-lied-about-hunter-biden-laptop-calling-it-russian-disinfo-to-new-homeland-intelligence-experts-group]
We'll be watching closely any and all [[MSM]] election-related news on this page between now & November 2024. Thanks. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
'''Remember:''' It's not just ''what'' and ''how'' the MSM reports, it's more often what they fail to report. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:23, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
===GOP candidates scramble to stay on the debate stage===
===GOP candidates scramble to stay on the debate stage===
:It's not that easy. A president can't appoint who he wants. He can only appoint who the Senate will accept. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:21, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
:It's not that easy. A president can't appoint who he wants. He can only appoint who the Senate will accept. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 12:21, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
=== Lila Rose's Response ===
"Pathetic and unacceptable.
Trump is actively attacking the very pro-life laws made possible by Roe’s overturning.
Heartbeat Laws have saved thousands of babies.
But Trump wants to compromise on babies’ lives so pro-abort Dems “like him.”
Trump should not be the GOP nominee."
https://twitter.com/LilaGraceRose/status/1703508913377902820 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:29, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
=== Matt Walsh's Response ===
"An awful answer from a moral perspective. There is nothing terrible about stopping the satanic abortion industry from mass murdering human children.
Also stupid politically. There is no compromise on abortion that everyone will like. It’s delusional to think otherwise. And contrary to Trump’s claims, almost all Democrats are indeed extreme on this issue. You will be hard pressed to find more than maybe two or three on the national stage who don’t want abortion until birth or beyond.
You can’t win over Democrats by going squishy on this issue. Republicans have tried that brilliant strategy for decades and accomplished exactly nothing by it.
Defend life clearly and powerfully and unequivocally. That’s the only way."
https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1703526579962343621 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:30, September 17, 2023 (EDT)
===DeSantis is a conservative. Trump is a socialist.===
''The Hill'': [https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4209245-desantis-campaign-targets-trump-over-abortion-comments/ DeSantis’s campaign targets Trump over abortion comments]
Good. Trump needs to be called out for abandoning the priority of human life. His mentality is just like that of "moderate Republicans" in the postbellum years who opposed [[Radical Republican]] support for civil rights, the classic "we can't emphasize these moral issues too much or we'll lose votes." And history is not kind to the Republican mavericks of [[Reconstruction]] who opposed the Civil Rights Bills, neither will it be to modern-day Republicans who abandon the issue of defending human life against child sacrifice to Moloch. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 09:19, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
Agreed. Trump is flip-flopping back to a Liberal Pro-Choice stance on Baby-Killing, the Greatest Moral Abomination of our time. Pro-Lifer Lila Rose is right, it's pathetic and unacceptable to say State Laws that have saved 1000s of babies lives are "a terrible thing/a terrible mistake". Abortion is "a terrible thing/a terrible mistake". Not Hearbeat Abortion bans that have rightly saved 1000s of babies lives.
"TRUMP FLIPS TO PRO-ABORTION, BETRAYS CONSERVATIVES 9/17/23 Trump said the Florida law protecting the unborn from abortion after 6 weeks was a "terrible thing." If Trump's view prevails on the Republican party, 17 pro-life state laws will be reversed...
and: "It's one thing if a Presidential candidate wants the ***Federal law*** to permit most abortions, but that's NOT Trump's position. Trump wants ALL state laws to permit the vast majority of abortions (93% of abortions happen before 14 weeks)..."
https://twitter.com/Chris__Iverson/status/1703497568540389878 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 10:43, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:Trump [https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/trump-in-1999-i-am-very-pro-choice-480297539914 was once a "pro-choice" Democrat]. (he was part of the Reform Party in 1999 though didn't seem to change his "pro-choice" stance until much later [https://www.ontheissues.org/2020/Donald_Trump_Abortion.htm in 2011 or so]) So yes, concurred, Trump is merely reverting to his old Democratic roots. I suppose that's the ''real'' party switch. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 10:47, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
Agreed. It's Pathetic Cowardice on his part. He is appeasing the Godless and increasingly Lawless Left, and spitting on many of his own MAGA Followers. I wonder if much of his base, especially Christian and Religious "Values Voters" like Evangelicals and Catholics, then Mormon and Jewish Conservatives etc will wake up and reject him for this liberal pro-choice stance of his. If Trump says this in the primary, we can only guess what he'd say in the general if he gets that far, then behind closed doors to his Dem Friends who he's bootlicking already. Trump is planning to sell out Pro-Lifers, Pro-Life Governors, Pro-Life States etc. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 11:24, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:Trump will probably be the one to sell this country to the Antichrist, I'd wager. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 11:32, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
===Life Site News Response===
https://www.lifesitenews.com/opinion/dear-trump-abortion-isnt-a-business-deal-where-both-sides-have-valid-points/?utm_source=featured-news&utm_campaign=usa
"Live Action President Lila Rose called Trump’s position “pathetic” and “unacceptable.”
“Hey @realDonaldTrump, protecting human life at 5 or 6 weeks isn’t a ‘terrible thing’… it’s the right thing,” Students for Life of America President Kristan Hawkins wrote.
“Trump, after everything the left has done to him, still thinks that if he gives them a little baby murder they’ll like him,” Allie Beth Stuckey wrote. “This isn’t just evil, it is absolutely delusional. He fundamentally doesn’t get it.”
Abortion is the deliberate destruction of innocent human life. There can be no deal made with Democrats who reject this biological fact and moral truth." [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 13:07, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
===DeSantis responds to Swampy McCarthy endorsing/supporting Trump===
Does DeSantis, or some of his staff, read Conservapedia? We've discussed "DeSantis runs Budget Surpluses, Trump increased Debt by 7.8/7 Trillion Dollars" and now DeSantis mentions the same. Possibly a coincidence, or possibly not. Anyway, here is what DeSantis said:
"Kevin McCarthy says I’m a little different from Donald Trump. I agree.
'''In Florida, we run budget surpluses. We’ve paid down our debt. I’ve kept every one of my promises.
Meanwhile, McCarthy and Trump worked together to add $7 trillion — more debt than our country racked up in its first 200 years — to the debt in just four years.
'''
It’s understandable that the DC Establishment doesn’t want me to be president — and I wear that as a badge of honor."
https://twitter.com/RonDeSantis/status/1703845915625218142 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 16:18, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
=== DeSantis responds to Trump: don't claim to be Pro-Life ===
"“I don’t know how you can even make the claim that you’re pro-life if you’re criticizing states for enacting protections for babies that have heartbeats,” @RonDeSantis told @RadioIowa this afternoon. #iacaucus" https://twitter.com/okayhenderson/status/1703870909449191601[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:03, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
=== LifeNews and Catholic Vote respond: Trump will lose without the Catholic Vote ===
https://www.lifenews.com/2023/09/18/pro-life-leader-lila-rose-trump-should-not-be-the-gop-nominee/
"“Pathetic and unacceptable. Trump is actively attacking the very pro-life laws made possible by Roe’s overturning. Heartbeat Laws have saved thousands of babies,” Rose added. “But Trump wants to compromise on babies’ lives so pro-abort Dems ‘like him.’”
Abby Johnson, the pro-life advocate who formerly ran a Planned Parenthood abortion center, was equally condemning.
“The Republican nominee for President should, at minimum, be able to say that men can’t be women and that it’s wrong to kill children in the womb. We’re not asking him to be a rocket scientist. We’re asking him to be a conservative,” she added.
And CatholicVote President Brian Burch told LifeNews he was concerned with Trump’s remarks.
“President Trump’s comments over the weekend have sparked concerns among Catholics over whether he is committed to leading on this issue in the way he did during his first term,” Burch said. “Pro-life Catholic voters helped deliver him the White House in 2016, and a record number of votes in 2020. He cannot expect to win again without these same voters. Any Republican presidential hopeful must draw a clear contrast to the extreme, taxpayer funded, unlimited abortion agenda of Joe Biden.”
Trump and his campaign will have work to do to repair damage with pro-life voters." Pro-Life Catholics, it's an Easy Choice, really. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:32, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
=== DeSantis contra Trump: Protecting Babies Lives with Beating Hearts from Abortion actually "Noble and Just" ===
"In a new interview with NBC’s Meet the Press, the former president denounced Florida’s heartbeat law protecting unborn children from abortion after six weeks when their heartbeat can be detected, calling it “a terrible thing” and “a terrible mistake.”
Responding to those comments, DeSantis said during a radio interview while campaigning in Iowa that he was “proud” to sign the heartbeat law.
“Donald Trump may think it’s terrible. I think protecting babies with heartbeats is noble and just and I’m proud to have signed the heartbeat bill in Florida and I know Iowa has similar legislation,” DeSantis said. “I don’t know how you can even make the claim that you’re somehow prolife if you’re criticizing states for enacting protections for babies that have heartbeats.”
The governor also condemned any potential deal with Congressional Democrats who support abortions up to birth:
DeSantis suggested Trump’s remarks are :a window” into how Trump’s 2024 campaign is diverting from the promises he made during the 2016 campaign. “And I think he’s changing in a way that is not consistent with the values of the people in Iowa,” DeSantis told Radio Iowa."
From: https://www.lifenews.com/2023/09/18/ron-desantis-protecting-babies-from-abortion-is-noble-and-just/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:56, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
===Trump interview triggers Biden world===
[https://www.politico.com/newsletters/west-wing-playbook/2023/09/18/trump-interview-triggers-biden-world-00116606 Politico]: ''"Aides and allies of the president quickly moved to try and shape the media’s coverage of the comments. Mainly, they admonished stories that didn’t — in their estimation — note that Trump was, in the words of spokesperson AMMAR MOUSA, “the reason states across the country are able to ban abortion.”''
:Oh, so DeSantis gets his talking points from the Biden White House and MSM. Okay, makes sense. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 17:55, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
See above. DeSantis doesn't get anything from Biden, but is the antithesis of him. Dems are supporting Trump because they recognize one of their own in him. Planned Parenthood could have made those remarks that protecting Babies with Beating Hearts is "a terrible thing". [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 17:57, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:Here's what happened: T attacked D; B observed weakness in T's attack and contacted MSM with instructions to focus on T's statements on abortion. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:01, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
Nope. Even you said the Dems wanted to run against Trump last time because they thought they could defeat him. They want to run against him even more because (1) they know with greater confidence they can beat him, (2) he is basically a Liberal Democrat pretending to be a Republian with this Pro-Choice and even Pro-Abort stance of his. Therefore, what really happened was that:
The Biden White House panicked that (1) Trump may lose HUGE SUPPORT among Catholics and Evangelicals, and thus lose the Primaries, and therefore (2) they sped into action to protect the preferred Candidate of the Dems, Donald Trump, who thinks saving babies are "a terrible thing, a terrible mistake". Simple. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 18:09, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:Oh? Interesting—I must've missed the news on the Bidenazi world panicking over Trump possibly losing the primaries. Is there a direct source substantiating that point of yours, NishantXavier? —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 18:30, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
::The ''Politico'' link above. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:59, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
::DeSantis is in the same position Trump was in in 2015; DeSantis is the MSM/DNC preferred candidate for the GOP nomination, cause they figure he'll be easier to beat in a general election. So they push Desantis now (as they did Trump in the pre-primary season), but by convention time they turn against him completely. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:06, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:::Oh, I see now; the Democratic establishment is worried that, with the media now portraying Trump as "moderate," he would end up being perceived by the public as less polarizing than Biden is. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 20:36, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
::::This is a game I've seen for as long as I can remember: the MSM pushes their preferred GOP candidate they figure will be easiest to beat, like Reagan or Trump; at the convention, they transmogrify from golden boy into the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:17, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Sounds about right. XD —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 21:39, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
===The "liberal Jews"===
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-lashes-out-at-liberal-jews-who-voted-to-destroy-america-by-not-supporting-him/ar-AA1gT7Dy When will Trump learn that this won't help him gain the Jewish vote?] Ah well, it's hopeless for him and other philosemites in this regard anyways—most Jews lean liberal, probably because traditionally it was the "right-wing" clericals who persecuted them during the Middle Ages, and that traces all the way back to occultist, Gnostic, paganized infiltration of the churches of Rome and Alexandria during antiquity. But the extensive history is a lesson for another day.
First off, no, this isn't "antisemitism," as the MSM is howling. "Antisemitism" is hatred towards Jews because they are Jewish; Trump wasn't broadly attacking Jews as a whole, he's criticizing ''liberals'' among Jewry because of their ''political leanings'', not because of religion or ethnic heritage. Secondly, while his comments are stupid naive antics, before anyone starts freaking out at his statements, one should keep in mind that [https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/06/judaism-abortion-rights-religious-freedom/661264/ left-wing Jews are known for misinterpreting Scripture to support all sorts of abominations like abortion.] Do they deserve sympathy in this case? No. Unlike theologically conservative Orthodox Jews who at least respect human life and understand the compassion of the Torah, the diehard apostate liberal Jews have no actual understanding of the Scriptures, or simply don't care for the biblical truth. ''For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.''
While I can't defend Trump's ridiculous stupidity demonstrated in his impulsively brash statements, nor can I shill for his general policies, his criticism of "liberal Jews" isn't completely off the mark either when you take into account the sins of the house of Israel. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 18:28, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
:Trump has never said anything that wasn't cleared with [[Jared Kushner]] first. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:00, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
::That may have been true during his presidency, but didn't Trump consider Kushner an [[Trump's inept advisers|inept adviser]] and shake off his son-in-law's influence? —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 20:37, September 18, 2023 (EDT)
===Hill - Iowa Evangelicals respond to Trump: 70% of Trump supporters are in favor of 6 week Heartbeat Abortion Laws===
Great to see Devout Christians and Other Pro-Lifers waking up to what I've been warning about for like months now. Trump is not an Integral Pro-Life Conservative and he showed us that clearly and explicitly: he's going to sell out Pro-Lifers to please Dem Friends. He's insulting his pious MAGA Base, many of whom are indeed Devout Christians and True Pro-Lifers unlike him - they support 6 week abortion bans. Pray and work for America to be saved, which requires a national reformation and an authentic integrally Pro-Life President.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/4210711-trump-faces-risks-in-iowa-with-abortion-remarks/
“There’s a variance of opinions but I don’t think the average Iowa pro-life voter would appreciate what he had to say,” said David Kochel, a veteran Iowa GOP strategist.
A New York Times/Siena College poll released last month showed 70 percent of Trump’s supporters in Iowa saying they were in favor of a state law banning abortion after six weeks of pregnancy. On top of that, the poll showed 69 percent of white, evangelical voters in Iowa, a critical group in the GOP nominating process, saying they supported a six-week ban as well.
Terry Amann, a Des Moines-based evangelical pastor who has met with Trump and several other GOP contenders, called Trump’s comments “disappointing.”
“I can’t speak for all caucusgoers but for the evangelical Christian community, it’s very troubling. Our goal is to see the number of weeks go down, not increase,” Amann said, referring to abortion restrictions.
“It makes it really difficult for evangelicals and evangelical pastors like myself to really step up and give support because we just can’t support that type of position,” he continues ... “Most Republicans in Iowa do not think that that position is a stupid position, which is basically what Trump is saying,” Kochel said.
Iowa is home to a strong anti-abortion activist base with groups like the Family Leader and the Iowa Faith and Freedom Coalition calling the state home.
Bob Vander Plaats, the president and CEO of The Family Leader, told The Hill on Monday that Trump’s comments reveal “his true colors."[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:02, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
:Ok. Now all you need to do is connect the dots how Trump, Biden, DeSantis or whoever will impact Iowa state abortion laws beginning in January 2025.
:See, it's occupying our time with deceptive, misleading stuff like this that causes readers to wonder how serious you are about addressing their issues of concern, let alone how informed or honest you are being. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:09, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
First, DeSantis will SUPPORT, not OPPOSE Governor Kim Reynolds 6 week heartbeat bills, unlike Trump. Presidential support matters. Second, Republicans should be bold, and not run away from Abortion. SBA has a Poll that 70% of Americans are ok with a National Federal Ban on Abortion at 15 weeks. DeSantis has said he'd sign any Pro-Life Bill that comes to his desk and he will sign it. And yes, we need to marshal 60 Senate votes, but that's not impossible. Pray and work for Republicans to get a significant Senate Majority in 2024, and then aim to swing a few Pro-Life Democrats. It has to happen and it is the way forward. Abortion is like Slavery. Abolition is the Only Answer. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:19, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
:Republicans aren't running away from abortion. It's just a state issue, not federal. This is a simplistic and deceptive approach to voters, kinda like Democrats do. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:29, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
Nothing deceptive about it. You are liberalizing and sliding, Rob. Tell that to President Lincoln and the Original Abolitionists. We have to be Abolitionists on Abortion too. "More than 7 in 10 Americans Oppose Abortion after 15 Weeks (at most)
A Harvard-Harris national poll found 72% of voters would limit abortions by no later than 15 weeks, including 75% of women, 70% of Independents and 60% of rank-and-file Democrats." https://sbaprolife.org/polling [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:33, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
:That has nothing to do with any federal election. And it is misleading to present it as such. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:35, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
Pro-Life Susan B Anthony Group, which is one of the largest pro-life organizations, have called for a Federal Ban, and I agree with them. I gave the source for the stats above. Read it and reflect on it. 70% are ok with post-15 weeks restrictions on the FEDERAL Level. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:42, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
:If it hasn't worked for 50 years, it's not likely now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 06:33, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
=== Prominent SC evangelical leaders form coalition, back DeSantis in 2024 GOP presidential race ===
Hallelujah! Look at the Momentum Buildup! Huge Numbers of Pro-Life Christians are rightly rallying around Pro-Life Hero, Governor Ron DeSantis.
"A group of prominent South Carolina faith leaders are rallying support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis in his effort to woo evangelical voters in the 2024 race.
Eighteen Christian leaders, including pastors, church leaders and theology experts, will lead a network of 100 members, the Greenville News has learned. The list includes leaders from churches based in the Upstate such as Hope Church, which has branches in Greenville, Spartanburg and Simpsonville, as well as educators from Bob Jones University and North Greenville University.
"America is in need of a major revitalization!" said Hotwire Ministries CEO Pastor Mike Gonzalez in support of DeSantis' campaign. "Our border crisis, crime rates, and steady climbing inflation are bankrupting our nation. These issues are systemic and the result of poor and corrupt leadership. Governor Ron DeSantis will restore truth and common-sense leadership as President and will lead on day one in turning our nation in the right direction ...
This year, DeSantis also signed a six-week abortion ban similar to South Carolina's recently passed legislation."
https://www.greenvilleonline.com/story/news/2023/09/19/sc-christian-leaders-pastors-form-desantis-coalition-in-2024-gop-race-presidential-republican/70904229007/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:42, September 19, 2023 (EDT)
===Is Trump planning to sell out pro-life state laws if he ever becomes President again===
One thing Trump may be doing with his "deal-making" is hinting that he may do a deal for a very late term ban (1% of abortions or less, like 20 weeks), in exchange for the "deal" of giving Democrat Baby-Killers what they want: preventing Pro-Life States from early laws.
"Trump may have hinted support for a federal law that prohibits state pro-life laws in exchange for a national late-term ban.
That is pro-abortion. 93% of abortions are before 14 weeks." https://twitter.com/Chris__Iverson/status/1704284051639505102
Another source for the 93% statistic: "In 2020, 81% of reported U.S. abortions occurred prior to the 10th week of gestation; 93% occurred prior to 14 weeks’ gestation (CDC)". A 15 week federal ban must be the national minimum; a 10 or 12 week ban would be better if possible.
Also, note this: "More than 60 million legal abortions have occurred in the United States since 1973...
In 2020, unmarried women accounted for 86% of all abortions (CDC)."
The Abortion problem is ultimately a Fornication problem. It shows one mortal sin leads to another, and sadly sins have consequences."
The link from Abort 73: https://abort73.com/abortion_facts/us_abortion_statistics/[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 07:37, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:It's difficult to say whether Trump is actually serious in ''appearing'' to betray the pro-life cause in favor of [[popular sovereignty]]. See, from his standpoint, it's about political pragmatism: he doesn't want to lose a ton of votes over the issue. So perhaps once he regains the White House, he'll continue instituting pro-life policies from where he left off in his first term. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:08, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
===EXCLUSIVE: Ron DeSantis To Attend Texas Fundraisers Hosted By Funders Of J6 Committee Members===
[https://lauraloomer.substack.com/p/ron-desantis-to-attend-texas-fundraisers I told ya, get off this donkey]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 14:32, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:Um... do you have any better sources than a white nationalist? —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:02, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::Rumor is, Loomer is a transgender. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:29, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
Loomer is Crazy as Hell. She has no clue what she's talking about. Ron DeSantis is a Proven Christian Conservative Champion, a Pro-Life Hero, an Anti-Woke Fighter, who runs Record Budget Surpluses, has brought Crime to a 50 year low in Florida, paid down 25% of the State Debt etc. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:49, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:Yah, you only keep forgetting the [[uniparty]] [[ deep state]] [[globalist]] part. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 19:55, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
DeSantis is the man who can defeat the Deep State. If conservatives rally around him now, he will do all the rest. Trust God's Plan. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:27, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:[https://www.opm.gov/policy-data-oversight/senior-executive-service/ He's part of it]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 20:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
===''The Babylon Bee'' gets it===
[https://babylonbee.com/news/trump-says-there-are-very-fine-people-on-both-sides-of-baby-murder-issue Trump Says There Are 'Very Fine People On Both Sides' Of Baby Murder Issue] —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:01, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
Lol. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 19:46, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
===If Trump's "full-on Nazi," then I guess the writer of his post must be a Jewish Nazi===
[https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/siggy-flicker-i-wrote-trumps-post-that-lib-jews-are-ruining-america/ar-AA1gUC2o No wonder most of the MSM doesn't mention it.] The pathetic [[concern troll]] clowns calling Trump [https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/donald-trumps-ominous-warning-to-us-jews-sparks-horror-full-on-nazi/ar-AA1gT2zv "full-on Nazi"] over the remark should think to themselves whether implying that Jewish people are Nazis is worth it. And of course, at least one MSM reporting couldn't help but irrelevantly invoke Trump's [https://www.newsweek.com/real-housewives-trump-jews-siggy-flicker-1828008 "very fine people"] [[quote mine]], because why not? Clearly the pro-Israel president with Jewish grandchildren who signed an executive order stopping anti-Jewish hatred on college campuses is the ''real'' antisemite.
I personally would like to applaud conservative-minded Jews for giving their idiotic left-wing counterparts the rebuke they deserve, since I myself can relate to that particular feeling. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 15:59, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:Trump's a genius. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 16:10, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::In this specific regard, yes, I agree. He takes into consideration how conservative-minded Jews (ostracized within their own communities) feel and makes their voices heard. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 16:18, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:::Yah, and he knows these are [[uniparty]] attacks coming from the Biden junta, thru Team DeSantis & the RNC. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 18:06, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::::It's also worth noting that the same Jewish groups panicking over Trump's rebuke of liberal Jews were probably the same ones who defended [[Ilhan Omar]]. It really makes you wonder when the Jews will realize they are being highly misrepresented. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Wednesday, 18:13, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:::::Indeed. How can so many Jewish people fail to grasp that Trump is, in fact, a sensitive man? [[User:ConwayIII|ConwayIII]] ([[User talk:ConwayIII|talk]]) 19:05, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::::::Because the liberal majority of them are are probably stuck believing that the Democrats are still the same great party of FDR and Truman and won't break free from their decades-long tradition of distrusting the GOP in general. Ever since, I don't know for sure, maybe the French Revolution (?), some elements of the political left presented themselves as allies of the Jews, who were frequently in desperation amidst persecution by "right-wing" clericals. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 22:19, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
====Extensive digression into socialism, abortion, "Christian Nationalism," and theological stuff====
Speaking of Nazism, Abortionism is Nazism. See this: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1080/20508549.1999.11878366 [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 20:26, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
See also: "THE crime of abortion played prominently in two international trials held at Nuremberg following World War li-the Goering and Greifelt cases. Allied prosecutors made the case that voluntary and involuntary abortion were war crimes and crimes against humanity. The Goering judgment identified the Political Leadership Corps of the Nazi Party as a criminal organization, in part because of its policies promoting abortion." https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/58824124.pdf [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:07, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:The [[Nuremberg Code]] also outlawed involuntary medical experiments, like [[mRNA vaccine]] [[vaccine mandate]]s. But who cares?
:We got all kinds of anti-[[Putin]] pro-[[Nazi]] cheerleaders out there today. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:12, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::The Nuremberg prosecutors were also staunchly pro-life. While modern-day abortion advocates like to claim "the Nazis weren't ''aCtUaLLy'' pro-abortion because they opposed abortion for German women," the prosecutors very much deemed the Nazi leaders supportive of abortion via loosening of abortion restrictions in occupied Eastern Europe. If you murder one person and not another, you're still a murderer, so the modern-day neo-Marxist left-wing argument is absurd. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 22:24, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
To be truly Anti-Nazi you have to be Pro-Life. "Guess What? Vladimir Putin Is a Pro-Choice Champion"
https://fortune.com/2017/12/14/vladimir-putin-russia-abortion-pro-choice-press-conference/
See also: https://www.iwmf.org/reporting/putin-the-pro-choice-champion/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 21:24, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:Weren't the Nazis [[natalist]]s? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 21:56, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::Yes. The Nazis implemented rampant government-sponsored natalist welfare, just as the Communists in the Soviet Union and Romania did, as a means of increasing the birthrate for full-on socialist purposes. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 22:19, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
The Entire Christian World banned and outlawed Abortion over a 100 years ago. Where was it first legalized? That's right, in the Godless, Communist Soviet Union, for one of the first things the Bolshevik Communists did when they took over Poor, Martyred Orthodox Christian Russia was Legalize Abortion. Sources: "Abortion was illegal in the Russian Empire. The practice is not directly referenced in the Domostroi, though child rearing is a common topic. During Tsar Alexis Romanov's reign the punishment for abortion was death, only later removed by Peter the Great. Abortion continued to be a serious crime until 1917 ... The Soviet government was the first government in Europe to legalize abortion. In October 1920 the Bolsheviks made abortion legal within the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic with their "Decree on Women's Healthcare". After the RSFSR the law was introduced in Ukraine (5 July 1921) and then the remainder of the Soviet Union.[3]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_Russia
Atheism has failed Humanity. You see, in the end, it's either Bolshevik Communism or Christian Nationalism. That's why Christian Nationalism is the Only Solution to the Pro-Abortion Holocaust. And it is a Great Glory of the Catholic Church to have been staunchly Pro-Life and fought the Abortionist Baby-Killers at every step, including in America, thus helping save Millions of Lives, as She continues to do, by Her Pro-Life Activism, and the Election of Pro-Life Catholic Ron DeSantis will complete it. God bless Evangelical and Orthodox Christendom for standing with us, and for all Conservative Pro-Lifers everywhere, even secular ones. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:38, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:NishantXavier, that '''precisely''' is the thesis/antithesis deception game right there. The Antichrist beast system will be a far-right theocracy, but how do you achieve one? Push a country as far left as possible into social-anarchist moral degeneracy, and then present "Christian Nationalism" as the solution. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 22:40, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
Nope. That's the Christ and Anti-Christ Spiritual Battle. St. John tells you how to identify the Anti-Christ. The Liar who denies that Jesus is the Christ, and that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, is the Anti-Christ. This is true of [[Pharisaic Judaism]](need to update this, will do that shortly). "Who is the liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, even he that denieth the Father and the Son." (1 Jn 2:22). It is Pharisaic Judaism that most impiously pretends "Christian Nationalism is the Anti-Christ", although they are fine with Jewish Nationalism in Israel, even one that persecutes Christians: "CBN News has repeatedly reported on the Persecution of Christians in Israel. This comes from Pharisaic Judaism and its bigoted teaching against Christians. While Christendom stands with Israel and supports Israel's right to exist contra mundum (against the world), some Jews hate and persecute Christians and spit on Christian Clergy. Thankfully, other more moderate Jews respect Christian Pastors and Priests, but more progress is needed. Christians in Israel should enjoy the same rights and full freedoms Jews enjoy in America or Europe" https://www.conservapedia.com/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_World_Today#An_ungrateful_source_of_Persecution_of_Christians_-_Pharisaic_Judaism_and_its_Anti-Gentilism_and_Christophobic_Bigotry_in_Israel Christian Nationalism is recognizing Jesus Christ as King of kings and Lord of lords. A Christian Country like Great Britain had kings and lords; the claim of Supreme Authority inherent in the Biblical title, "King of Kings and Lord of lords" should be manifestly self-evident. Only Christian Nationalism can heal the wound in Jesus Christ's Sacred Heart for having heard from His own countrymen: "We shall not have this Man to be King over us" (Luk 19:14). [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 22:50, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:''Who hath bewitched you?'' I explained all this to you half a zillion times: you're attempting to literally apply some cherry-picked verses in a way that don't make sense. In 1 John 4:2–3, John clarifies that he is referring to ''spirits'', not ''individual people''. Do you not see with your eyes that countless people in this world will pretend to be Christian and then spout some of the most anti-biblical propaganda? Are you seriously saying that someone is automatically a faithful Christian just because they appear to profess Jesus as the Christ, without even testing them, as John tells us to do? (1 John 4:1)
:And I made it abundantly clear to you that "Christian Nationalism" is simply part of the Hegelian deception game: the NWO ''powers that be'' created neo-Marxist moral degeneracy to push the world as far to the left as possible, so the resulting backlash against the far-left will be capitalized upon by the far-right into power, and thus the "far-right Christian Nationalists" will be able to institute an International Sunday Law, since Sunday is the Papacy's '''mark of authority'''. And I thought all this basic logic and critical thinking shouldn't be too hard for ''conservatives'' of all people to understand, but no, they too are blinded by the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4), and are on their way to perishing with the world. One day, when probation finally closes and it's too late to turn back, don't say I didn't warn you. I tried what I could to bring the light to you, but all you "conservatives" would rather place your trust in the antichrists of this world who promise an earthly utopia and whose abode is the darkness, rather than letting the truth set you free (John 8:32) from the chains of worldliness that lead to ultimate perdition. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 23:13, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
Faithless, Apostate, Rubbish. St. John clearly told you the liar is the one who denies Jesus is the Christ, and that fits the Anti-Christ sect of Pharisaic Judaism precisely, yet you refuse to call them out on that lie. You instead repeat the lie, which itself comes from Pharisaic Judaism, that the Papacy is allegedly the Anti-Christ - what rubbish! The Papacy confesses Jesus Christ is Lord, which no one can do without the Holy Spirit. (1 Cor 12:3) The Papacy confesses that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, therefore, God dwells in it, and it in God. (1 Jn 4:15). Meanwhile, the 2nd part of that 1 Cor 12 verse, about those who say "Let Jesus be cursed" is again speaking of Pharisaic Judaism. You are totally misguided and the blind leading the blind all the way to the pit. The Papacy stands as the most Pro-Life Institution on the Planet, saving Millions of Lives; those are Fruits that show it is from God. Read Mat 16:18-19 and Mat 18:17. Finally, that's another unheard of stupidity from Pharisaic Judaism; as if Christians cannot receive Sunday Communion when the Lord Jesus Himself gave Sunday Communion to His Disciples on the Road to Emmaus! Lol. Clueless stupidity, Biblical illiteracy, theological ignoramuses. The "mark" is something that will be forced on the forehead or right hand. That has nothing to do with Sunday Communion. You are still under the Law and dead to Grace if you teach Christians have no right to worship and receive Communion on Sunday. Sad. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:26, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
To make it even clearer to those who have eyes to see, for Pharisaic Judaism, the Papacy is Anti-Christ because Jesus is Anti-Christ (to them). It's they who say "Let Jesus be cursed", as St. Paul mentions, and as he says elsewhere, those who say that are anathema. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:30, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:[EC] ''Pharisaic Judaism?'' You really don't know what you're talking about, and are contradicting yourself. I've made it clear over and over again that I'm a Christian, and you're saying that only someone who openly denies Jesus as the Christ is "antichrist." Well, since by your own logic, "Pharisaic Judaism" is antichrist, then I'm not of Pharisaic Judaism since I affirm Christ as Lord and Savior. How did you not think this through, NishantXavier? —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 23:41, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:And again, John said that every ''spirit'' that confesses Jesus is the Christ is of God. The Papacy, by the way, has throughout its history vehemently denied the authority of God in its writings. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zASWUqMm_JM&list=PL95B1BB23B7A3C795&index=20 Here's] an excellent playlist, and I'll also provide a [https://archive.org/details/converts-catechism/page/n63/mode/2up direct quote from the horse's mouth]:
{{cquote|
Which is the Sabbath day?<br>
Saturday is the Sabbath day.<br>
Why do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?<br>
We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church, in the Council of Laodicea (A.D. 336), transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.<br>
Why did the Catholic Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?<br>
The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday, because Christ rose from the dead on a Sunday, and the Holy Ghost descended upon the Apostles on a Sunday.<br>
By what authority did the Church substitute Sunday for Saturday?<br>
The Church substituted Sunday for Saturday by the plenitude of that divine power which Jesus Christ bestowed upon her.|||Peter Geiermann, "The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine"}}
:The Papacy, which ordered the cold-blooded murder of millions of Christians during the 1,260 years of reign (Daniel 7:25), namely the Waldensians, Albigensians, Huguenots, and Messianic Jews, ''is the most pro-life institution on the planet?'' I don't know how you expect me to believe that.
:The biblical concept of communion has little to do with the paganized man-made traditions that infiltrated into Christianity during the Nicene era. Also, if the mark is a literal stamp on the forehead or the right hand, that would imply that a Christian who in good conscience refuses the mark yet has the stamp forced upon them would "receive the mark of the beast" and therefore be lost, and that notion makes zero sense at all. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 23:43, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::I'm not going to wade into this kerfuffle much, however for the sake of clarity, I would suggest clarifying one aspect: the "Catholic" church of 386 AD bears no resemblance to the same "Roman Catholic" church of today. IMO, using the term, in the context it is being used, is misleading and evokes prejudice. Modern audiences will mistake it as such. I would suggest a disclaimer or clarification. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:::[EC] In a literal sense, I think see where you're coming from. Modern-day "mainstream" Catholicism was shaped by the new liberal reforms of the Second Vatican Council, and the "old" strain of Catholicism prior to that is what appears to be known today as "traditionalist Catholicism." That said, "traditionalist Catholicism" that bears resemblance, if not sometimes outright identical (that's primarily with the extremist sects though) to the Catholicism of the Dark Ages, and that faction definitely is rooted in the pagan/occultist/Gnostic infiltration of the church during the fourth century. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 23:55, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:::::The term "catholic" means "universal" or "gentile", or "non-Jew". The name comes from the formal name of ''The Catholic Epistles of Paul'' (''Epistolen Katholika''). The [[Eastern Rite]] is and remains 'catholic". I am a small "c" catholic. All Protestants are small "c" catholics (careful, a Baptist or Lutheran may smack you for that). [[Messianic Jews]] are not catholic.
:::::The Roman Catholic divide first arose with the [[Great Schism]] with the Orthodox, and again with the Protestant Reformation. "Catholic" is used generically in [[Western culture]] to refer to [[Roman Catholics]], however historically "Catholic" (big or small) can be applied to the entire gentile church that was grafted in.. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:03, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::::Now yes, the apostolic church did use the term "catholic" in the sense of "''you are all one in Christ Jesus.''" (Galatians 3:28) Of course, the paganizers who took over the church in the 4th century under Constantine clearly hijacked the term to promote not universal brotherhood ''among Christians'', but rather universal brotherhood ''between Christianity and paganism''.
::::::It's also like that with the term "Lord's Day"—it's nowadays a common synonym for "Sunday," but the record of the apostolic church in no way indicates this. If, in fact, the Lord's Day referred to the first day of the week since the [[Didache]], then why is it that the only ante-Nicene church father to explicitly promote Sunday observance, [[Justin Martyr]], never once refers to the first day of the week as the "Lord's Day"? Because the Lord's Day in the 2nd century, like in the 1st, referred to the Sabbath day. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 00:07, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Paul emphasizes over and over again, "to the Jew first, and also to the gentile". It's why he's called the Apostle to the Gentiles. He wrote and preached the Catholic or Universal Epistles (Jew and gentile). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:10, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::::::I think that phrase can be paralleled with this passage:
{{cquote|And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.|||Luke 12:47–48}}
::::::::The Jews had the knowledge of the truth, and therefore were expected to live up to higher standards as opposed to the poor gentiles who lacked that understanding. That would explain why Paul stresses in Romans 2:9 that tribulation and anguish for the "soul of man that doeth evil" is "to the Jew first." —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 00:14, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::::<digression>It's one reason I reject [[Papal Primacy]]; Paul & Peter agreed Paul would go to the Gentiles, and Peter would remain head of the Jewish Church in Jerusalem. So how does Peter become head of the gentile church? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:16, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::::::::That is an excellent point. Speaking of "papal primacy," the Jesuitist [[Douay–Rheims Bible]] [https://www.biblehub.com/1_corinthians/9-5.htm notably distorts 1 Corinthians 9:5]
{{quotebox|
"Have we not power to lead about a sister, a '''wife''', as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?" (KJV)<br>
"Do we not have the right to take along a believing '''wife''', as do the other apostles and the brothers of the Lord and Cephas?" (ESV)<br>
"Have we not power to carry about a '''woman''', a sister, as well as the rest of the apostles, and the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?" (Douay)
}}
::::::::::The question is brought up over and over: if the Papacy traces back to the Apostle Peter, why is it that popes aren't married as Peter was? So Roman Catholicism had to devise all sorts of deflecting explanations, and it's no wonder that ''their'' Bible translation, derived from the [[Latin Vulgate]], would like to twist Scripture to fit their own doctrinal positions. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 00:27, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::::::"The Jews had the knowledge of the truth, and therefore were expected to live up to higher standards"
::::::::I think you're back to the ''"Ye must be circumcized"'' arguments. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:20, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:::::::Gentile congregations had always existed. Acts 15 says, ''"Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God, but should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood. '''For from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues.'''”''
:::::::The Torah speaks of ''the stranger who sojourns with you''. Many non-Israelite Egyptians packed up and left Egypt with Moses and Israel. The Apostles in Acts figured maybe they would get less resistance preaching the Gospel to the already existing gentile congregations who read Moses every Sabbath than they got from the stiff-necked Jews in Jerusalem. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 00:32, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
::::::::Oh wow, I didn't know all that before. Interesting. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 02:08, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
====Matt 16:18, again====
We've gone over this before. Read the Gospels and actually believe them. Jesus Christ founded One Church one the Rock of St. Peter. He said, "You are Peter, and on this Rock, I will build My Church". He promise the Gates of Hell would never prevail against this Church. Historically, it is as certain that Jesus Christ founded the Catholic Church, as that Martin Luther founded the Protestant church, and Ellen White the SDA sect. "Unless the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it". Only the Catholic Church has the promise that Hell's gates will never conquer Her. God gave Peter and His Church the promise that what She binds on Earth will be bound in Heaven. It's the Catholic Church that determined the 73 Book Biblical Canon in the 4th Century, including the 27 Book NT we all accept. That reminds me of something Conservative asked me elsewhere, which I'll now go and respond to. Whoever claims the Papacy is Anti-Christ is himself of the anti-christ and the devil. The Papacy confesses Jesus Christ is the Son of God, teaches the Holy Trinity, and is Pro-Life. The Catholic Church has saved countless millions of souls by teaching Jesus Christ is Lord, and also countless millions of babies' lives. Here, and there, a few mistakes have been made, as by other Christian denominations also, but totally exaggerated and lied about by the ignorant. Lord Baltimore's Maryland practiced Religious Tolerance - look it up. Then Catholics became persecuted, like in England also, for a while. But finally, by the Grace of God, the Apostolic Truth of Religious Freedom/Tolerance was recovered, and mistakes corrected[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 08:27, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Eh, not so fast there. "And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: '''and that Rock was Christ.'''" (1 Corinthians 10:4)
:Oh, calling the Papacy "Antichrist" designates someone as from the spirit of antichrist? Let's connect the dots together: the spirit of antichrist is denying that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. To say "calling the Papacy antichrist means one is antichrist" implies that the Papacy itself is the ''Vicarius Filii Dei'' (the Roman numerals in that title add up to 666, BTW), which itself is blasphemous, because it rests on the false premise that the pope/church ''is'' Christ. In Greek, the prefix "anti-" means "replacement." Vicariuus Filli Dei, the title of the pope, means "replacement for the son of God," which in the Greek tongue literally means "Antichrist." The Vatican couldn't have done humanity a better favor in identifying itself right there!
:To address the argument that "Jesus founded the Catholic Church"—I'll use an analogy. Hollywood has continued in organizational succession for the past decades upon decades; does this mean that the Hollywood of 70 years ago is the same Hollywood today? Of course not! Hollywood a long time ago was conservative and patriotic, while today it is morally degenerate. Likewise, the same church from the apostolic times was passed down generation after generation into what eventually became the Catholic Church, but that doesn't mean that the resulting Catholic Church holds the same values as the original apostolic church; Roman Catholicism formed as a result of Christianity compromising with paganism during Constantine's reign. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 14:08, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
On Religious Tolerance in Catholic Maryland, see: "8. Catholic Maryland: The First Tolerant American Colony
A. Patrick O'Hare
"Catholics . . . were the first in America to proclaim and to practice civil and religious liberty . . . The colony established by Lord Baltimore in Maryland granted civil and religious liberty to all who professed different beliefs . . . At that very time the Puritans of New England and the Episcopalians of Virginia were busily engaged in persecuting their brother Protestants for consciences' sakes and the former were . . . hanging `witches'." (50:300-01)
B. Martin Marty (P)
"Baltimore . . . welcomed, among other English people, even the Catholic-hating Puritans (8) . . . In January of 1691 . . . the new regime brought hard times for Catholics as the Protestants closed their church, forbade them to teach in public . . . but . . . the little outpost of practical Catholic tolerance had left its mark of promise on the land." (9)
C. John Tracy Ellis
"For the first time in history . . . all churches would be tolerated, and . . . none would be the agent of the government . . . Catholics and Protestants side by side on terms of equality and toleration unknown in the mother country . . . The effort proved vain; for . . . the Puritan element . . . October, 1654, repealed the Act of Toleration and outlawed the Catholics . . . condemning ten of them to death, four of whom were executed . . . From . . . 1718 down to the outbreak of the Revolution, the Catholics of Maryland were cut off from all participation in public life, to say nothing of the enactments against their religious services and . . . schools for Catholic instruction . . . During the half-century the Catholics had governed Maryland they had not been guilty of a single act of religious oppression." (10)"
http://www.catholicapologetics.info/apologetics/protestantism/protin.htm [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 08:30, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
===Ron DeSantis Drops to Fifth Place in Latest New Hampshire Polling===
Even if DeSantis won Iowa, he wouldn't have enough time or money to turn things around in [[New Hampshire]]. [https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/09/20/ron-desantis-drops-to-fifth-place-in-latest-new-hampshire-polling/] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:22, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:Yeah, it's hopeless for DeSantis at this point. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 23:23, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::It's why DeSantis is focused so much on Iowa, they even announced a second place finish is as good as a win, remember? But you hear no reports coming from the DeSantis camp in New Hampshire unlike the flood of propaganda coming from Iowa. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup> 23:25, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
If DeSantis wins Iowa, and he will, it's literally over for just about everyone else. Christie might stay in till New Hampshire and Haley till South Carolina, their home states. Everyone else drops out. It's DeSantis vs Trump after that, and Trump is bleeding money, spending 10s of millions of dollars on legal fees, under multiple indictments and some 91 felony counts, and he is simply not going to win. Meanwhile, DeSantis is Pro-Life, a Proven Consevervative, Anti-Woke, Budget Surplus, Policy Wonk, he has 100 MN, the staying power, and he will win.[[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:29, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
::(ec) You hear nothing about "DeSantis endorsed by New Hampshire kingmaker nobody ever heard of with a 0-10 record" like in Iowa while Trump picks up [[Speaker McCarthy]] and bunch of Senators. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''Give Peace a Chance!'']]</sup>
Btw, that reporting is fake news. It's basically a statistical tie. DeSantis is essentially in 2nd place, tied with others for the spot. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 08:31, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Well then... I guess we'll see how the primaries go. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 13:59, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
==Church news==
===Reminder: Pharisaic Judaism destroying Christian America by pushing Abortion-Killing as "Religious Freedom"===
My blood boils when I read this. Pharisaic Judaism encourages spitting on Christian Clergy and Christians in Israel. But they spit on Christians even more when you spit on the tireless prayers, sacrifices, vigils outside Pro-Life Centers and Abortion Clinics for the last 50 years. Wake up, America! It's Pharisaic Judaism or Christian Nationalism. Tertium non datur (there is no third option). We need Christian Nationalism in the United States and All Christian Countries because only Christian Nationalism can stop the Baby-Killing Abortionist Holocaust that has claimed 2 Billion Lives worldwide. Atheism and Pharisaic Judaism are culpable. Christianity will Triumph.
"My Religion Makes Me Pro-abortion
Many of us working to protect access to abortion are doing so because of our faith, not in spite of it.
By Danya Ruttenberg
Think about the relationship between faith and abortion, at least in the United States, and you might conjure up images of prayer circles at the March for Life, or protesters outside clinics, or a priest giving a sermon on the sanctity of life. Religion is often associated with an anti-abortion stance in the American popular imagination—and white Evangelicals have been encouraging that connection for decades. Now those efforts are culminating in the most disastrous year for abortion access since Roe v. Wade was decided 49 years ago, and in the Supreme Court’s likely reversal of Roe. But many of us working to protect the right to abortion are doing so because of our religious commitments, not despite them.
I’m a rabbi and a scholar in residence at the National Council of Jewish Women, which fights to preserve the right to abortion and expand access to the procedure. Our organization’s Rabbis for Repro network includes more than 1,800 Jewish clergy of every denomination committed to supporting abortion access for all. My activism is grounded both in Jewish law and in my tradition’s understanding of our profound commitments to one another." https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/06/judaism-abortion-rights-religious-freedom/661264/ [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 23:36, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
:Again, you don't know what you're talking about. Judaism from the time of Moses was firmly pro-life, but after the third kingdom prophesied in Daniel (Pagan Greece) took over, Hellenization impacted the cultural mentality of the Jews. While biblical Jewish values places a compassionate emphasis on loving unborn children as the fruit of their mother's womb (Luke 1:42) knitted by the hand of God (Psalm 139:13), [http://internetbiblecollege.net/Lessons/Hebrew%20And%20Jewish%20Attitudes%20To%20Abortion%20And%20Infanticide.pdf old pagan values emphasized], as do modern-day neo-Marxist leftists, that the womb was an organ for sexual pleasure and that unborn children were merely part of their mother's body and can be ruthlessly killed for being "inconvenient."
:The pro-abortion attitude among Judaism began with Hellenization, [https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/pharisees-sadducees-and-essenes which was supported by the Sadducees and opposed by the Pharisees]. So "Pharisaic Judaism" in the traditional sense would have been relatively opposed to abortion. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 23:51, September 20, 2023 (EDT)
Nope. Complete Ignorance from you. First, even your own link says: "The influence of the top pagan medical physicians and Greek philosophers on the religious teaching of many of the Jews can be seen in the Babylonian Talmud – a Jewish religious writing of the 400’s or 500’s A.D. The Babylonian Talmud stated: “The embryo is part (literally, ‘a thigh’ of its mother). (The) embryo (is regarded) as part of the mother…one of her own limbs.” When giving a description of a pregnant woman, the rabbis said, “There was originally one body and now also there is one body.” 11 Many Jews did not have the Biblical concept that an unborn baby is a distinct human even while being nourished in his/her mother’s womb."
Secondly, St. Constantine the Great Abolished Infanticide, and holy Catholic Christian Church Fathers are in large part responsible for its Abolition: "Christianity explicitly rejects infanticide. The Teachings of the Apostles or Didache said "thou shalt not kill a child by abortion, neither shalt thou slay it when born".[55] The Epistle of Barnabas stated an identical command, both thus conflating abortion and infanticide.[56] Apologists Tertullian, Athenagoras, Minucius Felix, Justin Martyr and Lactantius also maintained that exposing a baby to death was a wicked act.[5] In 318, Constantine I considered infanticide a crime, and in 374, Valentinian I mandated the rearing of all children (exposing babies, especially girls, was still common). The Council of Constantinople declared that infanticide was homicide, and in 589, the Third Council of Toledo took measures against the custom of killing their own children.[44]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infanticide#Christianity The Apostolic 1st Century Didache and the Epistle of Barnabas also refute some Pharisaical claims of the SDA Sect regarding Sunday worship and Communion and the Eucharist and prove its Apostolic and thus Divine origin.
Pharisaic Judaism is that Anti-Christ Sect which denies Jesus Christ is the Virgin-Born Son of God, and preaches Circumcision instead of the Cross, and Sabbath instead of Sunday. It is and was condemned by Christ and His Apostles, and its wicked works like promoting abortion bear witness that it is of the devil. The righteous works of the Catholic Church, like condemning Abortion and promoting Life, as well as of all Pro-Life Christendom, bear witness of the Spirit's presence in Her/us, which is completely lacking in Pharisaic Judaism [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 08:21, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Once again, '''you're failing to pay attention'''. The quote you're citing about the Babylonian Talmud and the 400s or 500s A.D. ''has little to do with traditional Pharisaic Judaism'', because the Pharisees officially as a sect dissolved shortly after the the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. To reiterate: Hellenization 🠂 pro-abortion. Sadducees = pro-Hellenization, Pharisees = anti-Hellenization. The historical evidence therefore indicates that support for abortion within Judaism grew out of Sadducee influence, not Pharisaism.
:"and Sabbath instead of Sunday." Let's take a look at the New Testament:
{{cquote|For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.|||Hebrews 4:4–8}}
:There is no biblical evidence that God ever changed observance of the seventh day of the week to the first. Your own church hierarchy has openly admitted this for centuries in his encyclicals, speeches, and other writings. During the [[Council of Trent]], the Protestants were criticized for moral hypocrisy and inconsistency: they continued to keep Sunday holy, thus abiding by Catholic teachings, because ''sola scriptura'' would dictate that they observe the Sabbath. And that was why the Protestant Reformation lost: the church, out the abundance of its own arrogance, stated the quiet part out loud in order to undermine Protestant validity. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 11:46, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:The '''''Epistle of Barnabas??''''' That is an almost-certainly apocryphal piece of literature that has no biblical validity whatsoever. If it was truly written by Barnabas, the question is brought up: why is not in the New Testament? In addition, it's filled with anti-Jewish bigotry, contradicting the egalitarian nature of the early apostolic church. It was [https://www.evidenceunseen.com/theology/historical-theology/the-epistle-of-barnabas/ only accepted as canonical in Alexandria], one of two chief cities (along with Rome) known for its pagan, Gnostic, occultist influence that crept into the church. The evidence is clear: the Epistle of Barnabas, contained in Codex Sinaiticus, is a forgery that belongs in the same trash bin Sinaiticus was found in.
:Speaking of anti-Jewish bigotry, your headline here implying that abortion is a Jewish plot against "Christian America" is an antisemitic canard traditionally propagated among white supremacists, and to an extent, probably among black nationalists as well. '''Traditional Judaism rejects abortion'''. By blaming "Pharisaic Judaism," you are ignoring the pagan origins behind the "abortion holocaust" and giving the real culprits a free pass just to blame, as always, "the Jews." It's no wonder, seeing that the branch of Catholicism you adhere to is traditionally known for anti-Jewish diatribes and is directly rooted in antisemitism. —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 11:59, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
Oh please. So traditional Catholicism is anti-semitic? Talk about anti-Catholic Bigotry. Hasn't this lie been pointed out to you before, that the Catholic Church saved nearly 1 Million Jewish Lives in the Nazi Period? Here's the source: ""Those rescued by Pius are today living all over the world. There went to Israel alone from Romania 360,000 to the year 1965."
The vindication of Pius XII has been established principally by Jewish writers and from Israeli archives. It is now established that the Pope supervised a rescue network which saved 860,000 Jewish lives - more than all the international agencies put together.
After the war the Chief Rabbi of Israel thanked Pius XII for what he had done. The Chief Rabbi of Rome went one step further. He became a Catholic. He took the name Eugenio."
From the Jewish Virtual Library.
It's a sin to dislike someone because of their race. But it's perfectly legitimate to call into question or to hold to account someone's Radical pro abort or Anti Christian behavior. Promoting Abortion in a Christian Country by distorting the Torah in favor of Talmudic Pharisaical traditions condemned by Jesus Christ is a damnable offense in His Sight. It has nothing to do with the color of one's skin, as Anti-Racist Champion and Christian Pastor Dr. Martin Luther King rightly observed. It has, as he continued, everything to do with the content of one's character, for distorting the Bible/Torah/Ot to promote Abortion reveals a bad character God will condemn. God will not condemn anyone because of their race. He will condemn many for their wicked works, like Promoting Abortion. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 13:14, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
Source for the above, of Saintly Pope Ven. Pius XII saving nearly ONE MILLION Jewish Lives during Nazi atrocities: since some of these Jewish Believers also became Christian Believers and saved their Souls thanks to the Church’s Action in saving their lives, as was documented above in the case of the the Chief Rabbi of Israel, who took the name Eugenio after the Pope, the Church saved their Souls as well, by leading them to Baptism/Christ.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/860-000-lives-saved-the-truth-about-pius-xii-and-the-jews
The Catholic Church is the largest Pro-Life/International/Humanitarian/Philo-Semite/Anti-Racist/Universalist Organization on the Planet. She welcomes people of all races and cultures into her fold without exception. She loves all, and works to save all. But She rightly condemns the Great Wickedness of those who promote Abortion without craven fear because She fears and loves only God and greatly and tirelessly works to save as many Babies' Lives of all races as possible. She is of God, but Pharisaic Judaism is that Synagogue of Satan Jesus Christ Himself condemned in the Book of Revelation. Denying Christ's Divinity, denying the Virgin Birth, slandering Jesus and Mary (as in the Talmud), promoting Abortion, all these are wicked works condemned by God. [[User:NishantXavier|NishantXavier]]<sup>[[User talk:NishantXavier|For Christ the King]]</sup> 13:23, September 21, 2023 (EDT)
:Romanist persecution of Jews during the Dark Ages, especially Messianic Jews, is [https://jewsforjesus.org/learn/why-many-jewish-people-think-christianity-is-antisemitic well-documented]. And as for Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust, you're only sharing one side of the story. [https://forward.com/fast-forward/561324/newly-discovered-letter-shows-pope-pius-xii-almost-certainly-knew-about-nazi-death-camps/ New revelations have something different to say.]
:Pharisaic Judaism is the synagogue of Satan? You're applying a highly literal interpretation of Revelation 2:9 and 3:9—while to some extent in terms of typological significance, there is some relevance pertaining to ancient Smyrna, whose leader Polycarp's martyrdom was supported by Jews who brought the wood to burn him, it should be noted that "spiritual Jew = Christian." Since Revelation as a whole is highly symbolic, it more likely means "those who say they are ''Christians'' and are not." —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Thursday, 13:58, September 21, 2023 (EDT)