Conservapedia:AFD Christian In Name Only
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This article was created by a sockpuppet troll [1] and violates a core tenet of Christianity, Judge not lest ye be judged and To his own master he rises and falls. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:06, January 23, 2023 (EST)
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- Keep. The article does not violate a core tenet of Christianity. See: What is excommunication in the Bible? (Matthew 18:15–17) and Does the Bible Tell Christians to Judge Not?. Also, "While the Bible denounces faultfinding, it applauds fruit inspecting (Matthew 7:15-20). “By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:17). If a person has a pattern of wrong or hurtful behavior, that information helps us make sound decisions. “Take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness; instead, expose them” (Ephesians 5:11, NLT). While we are to “judge not” as in belittle, punish, or condemn, we are to use sound judgment as in be discerning, evaluating, and shrewd. The rest of Matthew 7 explains how to do this. Ask God to remove the prejudices that block our vision. How can we see the speck in our brother’s eye if our own vision is blocked? By allowing God to search and cleanse our hearts, we can see clearly to take the speck out of our brother’s eye (Matthew 7:3-6). Discern between the holy and the profane. When Matthew 7:6 (NASB) says, “Don’t give what is holy to dogs and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn and tear you to pieces,” Christ is not talking about the animal kingdom. Dogs and swine describe dangerous people. We must recognize the dogs and swine. Otherwise how can we protect our pearls from them? Ask God for discernment (Matthew 7:7-11). God promises “everyone who asks receives.” Look for patterns of behavior (Matthew 7:15-23; Proverbs 20:11). Paul made sound judgments based on the bad fruit he saw. The apostle judged some believers as worldly and others in the church as false believers who intended to bring the church into bondage. Paul’s judgment in discerning the spiritual condition of the saints helped him protect and instruct the church."[2] Conservative (talk) 06:36, January 23, 2023 (EST)
- Okay, fair argument. But notice even you argue the focus is on actions, and not persons. So while the section about criticism of the term is good, the list of alleged suspects should probably be removed. It's only intent is to "belittle, punish, or condemn."
- Let he among you without sin cast the first stone.
- Alternatively, I would have no objections about passing judgment on deceased persons, Joseph Smith, for example. But living persons should be removed. RobSGive Peace a chance 06:55, January 23, 2023 (EST)
- The problem here is, a Category was created to herd these names into. Let he among you without sin cast the first stone. It's not a good example for CP to set, and seems hypocritical. We are not the judge of who is and who isn't a Christian. To his own master he rises and falls. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:00, January 23, 2023 (EST)
- In order for church members to follow the steps to excommunicate someone, it requires a person to be judged. See: What is excommunication in the Bible? (Matthew 18:15–17) Conservative (talk) 07:18, January 23, 2023 (EST)
- In 1 Cor. the guy who was sleeping with his mother is not named; in 2 Cor. the Paul says, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ. For if a man think himself to be something, when he is nothing, he deceiveth himself.
- Many expositors sat Paul was speaking of the same guy. RobSGive Peace a chance 08:21, January 23, 2023 (EST)
- In order for church members to follow the steps to excommunicate someone, it requires a person to be judged. See: What is excommunication in the Bible? (Matthew 18:15–17) Conservative (talk) 07:18, January 23, 2023 (EST)
- The problem here is, a Category was created to herd these names into. Let he among you without sin cast the first stone. It's not a good example for CP to set, and seems hypocritical. We are not the judge of who is and who isn't a Christian. To his own master he rises and falls. RobSGive Peace a chance 07:00, January 23, 2023 (EST)
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- RobSGive Peace a chance 06:06, January 23, 2023 (EST)