Talk:Molotov-Ribbentrop pact

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Your gonna need a bunch a redirects, Molotov-Ribbentrop, Ribbentrop-Molotov, Hitler-Stalin, Nazi-Soviet, German-Soviet, Soviet-German,and probably a few more. RobS 01:24, 18 April 2007 (EDT)


A question - "Communazi?" I've read quite a bit of WWII history in English and French and have never seen such a term before. Where does it come from, which historians coined it/use it today? PeterW 16:36, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Here's a Time magazine article from the Communazi period, June 3, 1940.[1] Soviet propagandists and apologists attempted to dispose of the term after 1945. Rob Smith 16:49, 4 October 2007 (EDT)

Here we go again

Lvov pogrom, June-July 1941.

The problem with the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact is, Hitler's violation of the pact on June 22, 1941 with the invasion of the Soviet Union was a key cause to the charge of "Crimes Against Peace" at the Nuremberg Tribunal which adjudicated the Pact as authentic and legal. Fast forward. Can Russia now claim the Baltic States as breakaway separatists, much as Ukraine claims Lugansk, Donetsk, and Crimea as their territory? RobSZ+ 14:35, June 15, 2022 (EDT)

LT, research a little about the Matsuoka Pact. It's the Japanese version of the Molotov-Ribbentrop. (Note: WP doesn't even have an article on it.) RobSGive Peace a Chance! 01:13, September 28, 2023 (EDT)

Interesting. But doesn't Wikipedia technically have an article under the title "Soviet–Japanese Neutrality Pact"? —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 01:24, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
My bad. That's it. They need a redirect.

(ex) Here's what happened: within hours after the pact was broken by Hitler, the picture at the right was on the streets of Lvov. The Soviets had kept the peace by locking up some 10,000 Ukrainian nazis in the gulag. As German forces advanced, the NKVD killed all the prisoners and withdrew. But they didn't get all the nazis, like the kid in the picture with the stick. These punks took out their revenge on the Poles, Jews, Russians, Romanians, Gypsies, Hungarians any none-Ukrainian, and not on the Soviet communists who withdrew. This was the Nazi system. But as the German Nazis advanced, they local nazis were forced by the Germans to become better organized.

Kind of looks like the streets of Chicago recently, or the 2020 BLM riots. Just wait til they get better organized.

So today's Ukrainian nazis are descendants of Ukrainian nazis from days of yore whose families were ostracized in the Soviet system and by Soviet society. See, the whole issue of outlawing capital punishment in modern times, (on a worldwide scale) began in Czarist times. Russia always needed workers in Siberia and the Far East, so capital punishment was outlawed (Russian culture deemed themselves "progressive", humane, and civilized even before Soviet times). The Soviets prided themselves by keeping it illegal; (they just resorted to terrorism of whole villages if they deemed it necessary to compel compliance in the early days). RobSGive Peace a Chance! 01:52, September 28, 2023 (EDT)

Hmm, I see. All the liberal shills who've told me in the past one-and-a-half years that "the Ukrainians" are so innocent need a reality check. Apparently those people know next to nothing about the depths of racial hatred in Eastern Europe. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 01:57, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
It's a real tragedy. But you're young and you're witnessing it. Remember, however historians write about it - it is NATO exterminating the male population living in Ukraine. Maybe NATO thinks they're getting rid of all the Nazis, but they are not. The nazis aren't serving on the front line - it is untrained Russians born in Ukraine, Hungarians, etc being pressed into service who are being killed in 3 or 4 days on the front. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 02:08, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Hmm... I guess it would then be accurate to say NATO = Nazi Abetting Terrorist Organization. —LT Rev. 22:13 Thursday, 02:11, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Bingo.
I note things I refer to as a "historical fluke". After WWII, there never was a formal peace treaty (now some will say it was the UN Charter. It wasn't. And largely due to FDR's premature death. He didn't live long enough to see his "Grand Design" develop as he envisioned it. Some of this is covered in Hillary's Inner Goldwater Girl). So technically, WWII never ended. Even in the Cold War, Soviet propaganda continued its war with the West, or Western fascism. They said the US & UK simply switched sides and joined the fascist alliance with Germany (Axis Powers), and they were continuing their war against fascism, while in the West we claimed fascism was defeated. I understood that was how Soviet communists saw things. Now the Soviet communists are gone. But never was that view more true than today. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 02:37, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Let me restate it: we claim fascism was defeated in WWII and the Cold War was capitalism v. communism; the USSR claimed the war against fascism began in 1941 and ended wit the collapse of the USSR in 1991; now fascism has resumed its war against the Russian Federation.
From the Russian view, the West isn't fighting an ideology anymore. NATO, like the Nazis, are fighting to exterminate the Russian people, language, culture, religion. RobSGive Peace a Chance! 02:47, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
Peace treaty?! Which bit of unconditional surrender are you struggling with, man? I can only see two bits, so this should be an easy fix, even with your broken brain. ConwayIII (talk) 15:05, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
They even had the presence of mind to write it down for posterity, just for idiots like you. ConwayIII (talk) 15:12, September 28, 2023 (EDT)
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