Talk:Eternal death

"Hell is mentioned only in the New Testament rather than the Old Testament." Really?

What a load of Marcionite-Gnostic-Schlaflyite rubbish. First of all, there's several different words for "hell" in the New Testament: Hades, with the exception of Luke 16 in the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, refers to the grave, and corresponds to the Hebrew word sheol. Tartarus is used once in II Peter and in analogical terms. And Gehenna was an analogy for the lake of fire; last I checked, the lake of fire we simply refer to as "hell" is never actually explicitly called "hell" in the Bible at all.

Also, the OT does allude to Final Judgment and the lake of fire:

“	For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the Lord, they shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be. ... But the wicked shall perish, and the enemies of the Lord shall be as the fat of lambs: they shall consume; into smoke shall they consume away.	”
—Psalm 37:9–10, 20

So either way, Andy is lying. If one takes the broad view about the words in the KJV translated as "hell," he's wrong, because sheol is mentioned a few dozen times in the Hebrew Bible. If one takes the specific view of "hell" in reference to the lake of fire, Andy is also wrong, because the lake of fire is never explicitly called "hell" even in the New Testament.

TL;DR: Andy needs to stop yapping about topics he has no basic understanding in, especially when it comes to biblical theology. There's already enough pathetic misinformation out there. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 14:04, July 10, 2024 (EDT)

Here's what an expert says on NPR:

GROSS: Are there specific passages in the Hebrew Bible that support the notion of an afterlife?

EHRMAN: Yeah, no, it's a good question. And people generally point to these passages in the Book of Psalms that talk about Sheol, or Sheol. It's a word that gets mistranslated into English. Sometimes Sheol is translated by the word hell, and it absolutely is not what people think of as hell. ...

If you actually look at what the Psalms say about Sheol, they always equate it to the grave or to the pit. And so it appears that the ancient Israelites simply thought that when you died, your body got buried someplace. It got put in a grave, or it got put in a pit, and that's what they called Sheol, is the place that your remains are. But it's not a place where you continue to exist afterwards. [1]

--Andy Schlafly (talk) 14:27, July 10, 2024 (EDT)

Citing liberal denialist Bart Ehrman as an "expert"? Whatever happened to the best of the public over the liberal elite- oh well, I suppose I shouldn't be too surprised anymore... —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:12, July 10, 2024 (EDT)