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Thank you for the article. I didn't know about this incident, but the article explained it very well. I hope one day to be able to write similar long, precise, well referenced articles myself! SilvioB 06:16, 30 May 2008 (EDT)

Mind control and brainwashing

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The conclusion was that he was "first and foremost a master of mind control," which he used on his followers to serve his needs and whims; this was practiced in Indiana, the committee discovered, and perfected in California. Among the tactics he practiced with engineered precision are the following recognized strategies of brainwashing.

I object to these two sentences, first because not all the bullet points after it are related to the concepts of mind control or brainwashing. Second, the concept of mind control is not a scientific one. The chief proponent of the concept lost the right to testify as an expert witness when the lack of scientific basis for the theory was exposed. As for brainwashing, this is generally held to apply only to prisoners of war - or to other captives. I have not seen any information on its effects persisting after a prisoner is released or escapes. --Ed Poor ^Talk 07:51, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Your edits to this entry are good, Ed, and I learned from your insights. There was misplaced anti-religious bashing in it that I took out last night.--aschlafly 09:07, 13 December 2008 (EST)

Someone better get their facts straight

"Drinking the Kool-Aid" is now a part of our language; it comes directly from this mass suicide and the leftist conditions/beliefs that led to it, yet for years and years I have seen the left desperate to change the name of the drink to "Flavorade", as if the Kool-Ade drink mix was never there at all. Now what I want to see is proof that it was only Flavorade that was there. Any takers? Karajou (talk) 13:54, 31 January 2019 (EST)

This site says it was Flavorade. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:00, 31 January 2019 (EST)

Jim Jones himself said Kool-Aid. So did period newspapers and magazines at the time. Karajou (talk) 14:09, 31 January 2019 (EST)

Here's what I'm saying. The liberal left is desperate to change the narrative in anything, the Jonestown massacre included, and I for one am not going to fall for it. Jim Jones was a socialist/leftist[1]. He was among those people in positions of power which turned San Fransisco left. As to his Christianity, it never existed[2].

Kool-Aid is also the de facto name for any powdered drink mix, whether it's Flavorade, or Wyler's, or any other; people will call the stuff "Kool-Aid" regardless of what it is. "Drinking the Kool-Aid" comes directly from that incident, and it has been used as a metaphor to describe the idiotic-to-suicidal proposals made by the left over the years; it has stuck with them, and they want to get rid of it. To that end they will continually say that it was Flavorade used in that cocktail, not Kool-Aid at all, and the side-implication was that the Kool-Aid was never there. Since stating that they have never once shown a single photograph taken at the site in the week following the massacre of torn up Flavorade packets; if found they have to only be Flavorade packets, and not Kool-Aid, right? Contradicting the naysayers, it is Jim Jones himself who is opening a trunk of his supplies in this video[3], revealing both Flavorade and Kool-Aid, and calling the whole thing Kool-Aid. Both were there in his trunk in Jonestown at least one year prior to the massacre, and when the massacre did take place I can bet that the clowns that mixed the batch weren't going to stand there and debate which brand to pick.

And incidentally, as a side-note the trunk also contained Royal gelatin. By habit we still call that brand and similar ones "Jello". Karajou (talk) 14:57, 31 January 2019 (EST)

I don't get why you're so bothered by this. No amount of evidence to the contrary is ever going to remove "drinking the Kool-Aid" from common parlance. Let's imagine some top-notch research reveals Caesar was actually assassinated on 16th March. No-one's going to abandon "Beware the Ides of March", are they? JohnZ (talk) 16:07, 31 January 2019 (EST)