Difference between revisions of "Talk:Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation"

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Move to Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation

This is the proper name of the sacrament; cf. Catechism of the Catholic Church Part 2, sec. 2, ch. 2, art. 4; notice that "the Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation" is given as a name multiple times, and "Reconciliation" and "Penance" are the only names of the several given that are ever capitalized. There's nothing at Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation, so there would be no conflict with another article. It would also leave this page open for discussion of other uses of the term "confession" (psychological aspects of making confessions in a non-sacramental setting, perhaps). If no one expresses disagreement in a timely fashion, I'll go ahead and move it myself. Crusadestudent (talk) 03:18, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

My concern is that RC language may not apply to the other Christian branches. Technically, I am unopposed to the change as long as confession redirects to Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation. --Jpatt 17:25, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

Protestants don't really do this, and the Orthodox are only given a cursory mention. Since this article is pretty much only dealing with the Catholic sacrament anyway, I think the Orthodox and Protestant uses of the term could be given their own articles. Deus vult! ~Crusadestudent (talk) 17:42, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

How would I move a page? Doesn't seem to work the same as Wikipedia. Do I not have that permission? Deus vult! ~Crusadestudent (talk) 17:44, 8 May 2016 (EDT)

Only Admins can move pages, so you'll need to ask one of them. Some such admins are Jpatt, Conservative, Karajou, and Aschlafly.--David B (talk) 15:27, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

Thanks, @David B. Deus vult! ~Crusadestudent (talk) 21:43, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

Search engine ranking shows Confession at 9 million, Sacrament of Penance at 450,000 and Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation at 350,000. Moving the page I am still ok with. I just want to make sure the proper full name is a requirement since just Sacrament of Penance seems acceptable to many Catholics institutions listed. --Jpatt 20:38, 9 May 2016 (EDT)

Bear in mind that if you just Googled "Confession", that will bring up a lot more than just the sacrament. "Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation" would be universally recognizable and unambiguous (leaving "Confession" for other secular topics like sociology, psychology, etc.), and we could leave a redirect for "Confession" to the new page. If/when "Confession" is made into a new article, a disambig could be added at the top of the page. I would still count "Sacrament of Penance" as an improvement on the basis of being a more proper name, but no one really calls it that in my experience—usually, in speech anyway, it's "Reconciliation" or "Confession"—so in the sense of common use nothing is really gained that way. If you're cool with moving to "Sacrament of Penance and Reconciliation", please go ahead and do that when you get the chance. Thanks! Deus vult! ~Crusadestudent (talk) 21:42, 9 May 2016 (EDT)