MediaWiki talk:Captcha-addurl-whitelist

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Could Wikimedia Commons be added to this list please?--CPalmer 11:25, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

Unless things have changed (and some things have changed recently), we can't use Commons pictures in Conservapedia articles, so I don't see the point of this. I'm not wanting to be difficult; I'm happy to include it if there is even a half-valid reason (and no reason not too), but I want to know what that reason is. Philip J. Rayment 20:14, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
The majority of images that Conservapedia uses are standard copyright, and they're labeled as fair use. So it's hard to see how fair use wouldn't apply to Commons images as well. (unless GFDL is claimed to be more restrictive than standard copyright, which I haven't seen yet)
Somewhat related, {{commons}} says that Commons images are in the public domain. (it should probably say they're "GFDL-compatible"; some, but not all, are public domain). --Interiot 22:15, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
My point was that we can't link to them from Conservapedia (as far as I know that's still the case), so we would have to copy them to Conservapedia (I've done that with a few myself), and if we do that, putting commons on this whitelist doesn't make any difference. Philip J. Rayment 22:27, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
Philip I think the problem of adding a file from Wikimedia Commons is that if you do the correct thing and cite from where the image was obtained then that counts as an external link and triggers a captcha (I believe sysops are exempt from this). The image is not linked to from a Conservapedia article, it still has to be uploaded, it`s just the cited source that`s the problem . Of course Wikimedia Commons is not just a big candy bowl that we can help ourselves to. I have always been careful to select images that were in the Public Domain or if a "Creative Commons BY" license is used then make sure that attribution is given to the originator of the work on every page where it is used (at least where I have used it). However, I have noticed instances where GFDL images from Wikimedia Commons have been used (which incidentally is against CP site policy) and where attributable or share-alike licensed images are used with no attribution on the article page. It seems that not many administrators are interested in the nuts and bolts of running a wiki, it does take time and effort to monitor and correct things like categories, image rights, page naming. It may seem boring or unnecessary but unless we have some standards then the whole project will simply tie itself up in knots with multiple articles, duplicate categories. I have engaged with you, Philip, on the article renaming project, but as Helpjazz commented it gets boring after a while and it is also a drag having to rely on just you to make the name change first so that the whole process of improving things seem such a struggle and a largely thankless task. I would call on other administrators here to apply as much zeal to maintaining article standards as they do to perceived vandalism or bias. An encyclopedia is not just an enormous pile of random facts, its value depends upon good organization. BrianCo 05:55, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
"if you do the correct thing and cite from where the image was obtained then that counts as an external link and triggers a captcha": Thanks, BrianCo; that was the reason that I was overlooking, and which justifies adding it. I'll do it now. Philip J. Rayment 08:37, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
I've done it, and tried to make it broader than just Commons. Please let me know if it works. Philip J. Rayment 08:41, 18 October 2008 (EDT)
Yes Philip, it works. I uploaded image:Bust Domitian Musei Capitolini.jpg without any captcha. BrianCo 09:06, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

I just added some internal CP links, and it still made me do the CAPTCHA. (Interestingly, it was a word I had already done before, but that's neither here nor there). I know it was working at one point... maybe it's because I added so many links at once? HelpJazz 19:01, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Something's definitely not right. I just welcomed a user and had to do the CAPTCHA again. We need to give up on this and just let users with rights skip the CAPTCHAs. It gets tiring fast to not be trusted to add outside links, after having edited here for over a year now! HelpJazz 18:23, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
I've made some changes, although I'm just feeling my way here. Try it more and let me know the results. Philip J. Rayment 23:22, 19 October 2008 (EDT)
It seems CP links work, but the edit counter isn't working. Maybe it needs to be more general? Thanks for the good work :) HelpJazz 23:52, 19 October 2008 (EDT)


Commons images

To clarify, I requested that Commons be added to the list so that I could post links on the upload requests page.

Thanks for the addition, and also the clarification that we can't freely use all Wikimedia Commons images - I had never been sure about this. Could someone just summarise the conditions for Commons images that we can use, or direct me to a help page that contains this information? Thanks--CPalmer 08:02, 19 October 2008 (EDT)