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:(e) The reason you gave when you changed it was to avoid "false environmentalist overtones".<br />
 
:(e) The reason you gave when you changed it was to avoid "false environmentalist overtones".<br />
 
:So, the question now...the [[best of the public]] thinks this translation is wrong. How do we go about changing it back? [[User:PeterRyan|PeterRyan]] 17:08, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
 
:So, the question now...the [[best of the public]] thinks this translation is wrong. How do we go about changing it back? [[User:PeterRyan|PeterRyan]] 17:08, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
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::In reply to AugustO, I never meant to suggest that [[#John 3:16|John 3:16]] was a quote.  I was arguing in a general way against excessive rigidity in translating.  Conveying original meaning most effectively should be the guide, and the modern use of quotation marks generally illustrates that preferred approach.
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::In reply to Peter:
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:::(a) I don't see the relevance of resorting to the Latin, which may likewise use "world" to mean "everyone".
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:::(b) Strongs does not require "world", and does use phrases equivalent to a literary "us".
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:::(c) Comparing "For God so loved the world that He gave His only Son" to "For God so loved us that He gave His only Son," I'd say the latter sounds better and is more compelling, albeit less familiar.
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:::(d) Does "us" builds a wall against non-Christians?  I don't see how, especially given the absurdity of God not initially loving everyone.
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:::(e) The reason I gave when I changed it was to avoid "false environmentalist overtones" - yes, merely as the most concise edit summary I could think of at the time.  It was not my inspiration for the change, which was watching a video of [[Tim Tebow]] preaching to prisoners and imagining their puzzlement at the use of the term materialistic term "world" rather than "us".
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::: In response to your final comment, I don't think we have a representative sample of the [[best of the public]] yet.--[[User:Aschlafly|Andy Schlafly]] 18:13, 22 September 2012 (EDT)
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