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→It Is Questionable That Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un Are Communists: new section
:*''there were undoubtedly deaths as a result of Leninist (and later Stalinist) ideology (which '''many''' would argue is not Marxist since it does not follow the ideal set out by Marx);''
:*''there were undoubtedly deaths as a result of Leninist (and later Stalinist) ideology (which '''many''' would argue is not Marxist since it does not follow the ideal set out by Marx);''
::'''''Many?''''' How many of the "many" who argued that Lenin and Stalin do not follow the ideal set out by Marx survived Lenin and Stalin? [[User:OscarO|OscarO]] 18:33, 31 January 2013 (EST)
::'''''Many?''''' How many of the "many" who argued that Lenin and Stalin do not follow the ideal set out by Marx survived Lenin and Stalin? [[User:OscarO|OscarO]] 18:33, 31 January 2013 (EST)
== It Is Questionable That Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un Are Communists ==
In the article, Kim Il Sung, Kim Jong Il, and Kim Jong Un are listed as communist leaders. However, this is too simplistic / incorrect. I suppose one could say that Kim Il Sung was originally a communist, but certainly Kim Jong Il and Kim Jong Un are not. They instead followed / follow the Juche ideology, which according to the North Korean Government from [http://www.korea-dpr.com/juche_ideology.html this webpage] is an ideology that focuses on self reliance and independence from others. Since 2009, references to communism have been removed from the North Korean constitution, per [http://www.reuters.com/article/2009/09/28/idUSSEO253213 this article]. Furthermore, the statues of Karl Marx and Vladimir Lenin were removed from Pyongyang in 2012 per [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/northkorea/9608048/Lenin-and-Karl-Marx-statues-removed-from-North-Koreas-Kim-Il-sung-Square.html this article]. Therefore, it would be incorrect to list them as communists, because they follow the Juche ideology, which is essentially a right wing nationalist ideology featuring the socialist principal of a command economy and the ownership of all the means of production by the State.
[[User:Jansky|Jansky]] 09:44, 16 August 2014 (EDT)