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Talk:Donald Trump achievements (view source)
Revision as of 13:41, June 25, 2017
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:::::::::::::@JDano: what I am saying is that since I am the one doing the vast majority of the adding, I am posting disputable achievements to the talk page for input from other editors. I have done that numerous times already. Also, if you do not believe something is an achievement, you can bring it up on the talk page for us to discuss. The article from the beginning has stated in the intro that these achievements help promote conservative ideals/policies. If an achievement does not promote conservative policies (or improve the nation), that is enough. If anything, I will only accept broad criteria like those. Having detailed criteria like you are apparently proposing will do more harm than good and lead to fights over the criteria to use. I think we can all agree here that an achievement helps the nation and promotes conservative values (that's why I listed those proclamations -- unlike the others, those I listed explicitly promote conservative values. Also, I oppose listing the total amount of executive orders, etc., ''as opposed to'' listing some notable executive actions. Barack Obama made many executive actions -- did they do any good?). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:00, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
:::::::::::::@JDano: what I am saying is that since I am the one doing the vast majority of the adding, I am posting disputable achievements to the talk page for input from other editors. I have done that numerous times already. Also, if you do not believe something is an achievement, you can bring it up on the talk page for us to discuss. The article from the beginning has stated in the intro that these achievements help promote conservative ideals/policies. If an achievement does not promote conservative policies (or improve the nation), that is enough. If anything, I will only accept broad criteria like those. Having detailed criteria like you are apparently proposing will do more harm than good and lead to fights over the criteria to use. I think we can all agree here that an achievement helps the nation and promotes conservative values (that's why I listed those proclamations -- unlike the others, those I listed explicitly promote conservative values. Also, I oppose listing the total amount of executive orders, etc., ''as opposed to'' listing some notable executive actions. Barack Obama made many executive actions -- did they do any good?). --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 03:00, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
[outdent]Dear 1990sguy, reading your comments, I think we drifted into something in a reactive mode. You discuss "the MSM has been falsely reporting that Trump has done only very little." and trying to show a lot of action from the first 100 days. The 100 days is now over, and we have to reach consensus on the long-term purpose and structure of this article. You want to keep the current structure but spin off content once a year. You have proposed as criteria that anything, no matter how small or unimportant should be included "if it advances conservative ideals." I question whether that is practical. For example, people can differ as to whether the new health care law advances or hurts conservative ideals, but it will affect most Americans and an important sector of our economy. I also question the "current news" nature of this plan. There is a difference between reflecting at the end of the year and writing a "year in review" article vs. just archiving bullet points written as events unfolded. In retrospect, different things will prove to be of lasting importance. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 06:40, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
[outdent]Dear 1990sguy, reading your comments, I think we drifted into something in a reactive mode. You discuss "the MSM has been falsely reporting that Trump has done only very little." and trying to show a lot of action from the first 100 days. The 100 days is now over, and we have to reach consensus on the long-term purpose and structure of this article. You want to keep the current structure but spin off content once a year. You have proposed as criteria that anything, no matter how small or unimportant should be included "if it advances conservative ideals." I question whether that is practical. For example, people can differ as to whether the new health care law advances or hurts conservative ideals, but it will affect most Americans and an important sector of our economy. I also question the "current news" nature of this plan. There is a difference between reflecting at the end of the year and writing a "year in review" article vs. just archiving bullet points written as events unfolded. In retrospect, different things will prove to be of lasting importance. Thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 06:40, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
:About the first 100 days, I have told you many times already. Do I have to say it again? ''The "first 100 days" is a silly and meaningless concept that means nothing. Zero.'' Achievements are achievements regardless of whether they occurred in the first 100 days or the next 1,000 days, and it does not matter to me which day something happened. I thought from the start that the purpose of this article was recording Trump's achievements ''before they are forgotten in the numerous waves of (oftentimes fake) news.'' The achievements I am adding are real and not too small to add here.
:Also, small achievements are also achievements. Even though the government is so powerful these days, it happens that with administration after administration, small problems go unfixed even though they are so small and could be easily fixed. Some of these accomplishments may be small, but they are clearly accomplishments. It may not mean much to you that the achievements were done, but considering the shape and inefficiency of the government, it is a wonder that any of these small achievements are being done. ''Adding small achievements (which are real achievements nonetheless) helps this article rather than hurts it''. Contrary to your claim, I am '''''not''''' including "anything" or "unimportant" things. Besides, things that are borderline I bring to this talk page. You can see how many things I have brought here already.
:Also, the fact that I am updating this article every day is a good thing -- ''not'' a bad thing. This way, I am able to catch the smaller, but still meaningful, stories that might be next-to-impossible to find at the end of the year. Achievements are achievements regardless of the size. The fact that these small achievements are actually being made it remarkable considering the inability of the government to fix such things before this administration. --[[User:1990'sguy|1990'sguy]] ([[User talk:1990'sguy|talk]]) 09:41, 25 June 2017 (EDT)
== VA to deal with under/unused buildings ==
== VA to deal with under/unused buildings ==