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→"Helpless" babies and sinners - Ephesians 2:11-16 and Romans 5:12-19; Romans 5:6-11 and 8:31-39; 2 Timothy 2:13 and 2 Corinthians 1:19-22 and John 10:35
::So grace is a free gift of God - with no conditions (i.e. such as baptism). And salvation is by grace.
::So grace is a free gift of God - with no conditions (i.e. such as baptism). And salvation is by grace.
::The only condition for salvation is acceptance of the gift. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 13:48, 23 October 2019 (EDT)
::The only condition for salvation is acceptance of the gift. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 13:48, 23 October 2019 (EDT)
::Your argument seems to be that salvation is some future event, '' after'' life in the flesh. To discuss any of this, you need to (1) define salvation; (2) explain why salvation is not for the here and now. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:00, 23 October 2019 (EDT)