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Line 749: − − :::Your citation to Romans 2 here is out of place. Paul is speaking to the unsaved, to those under Law, not under grace. The first seven chapters of Romans is all spoken to those outside the family of God. − − :::What does it mean to be ''in Christ?'' (Romans chapter 8 and elsewhere: ''there is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ''. This stands in stark contrast to those under condemnation in Romans 2, ''he will render to every man according to his works''. To be saved means to be saved from the wrath of the Law. − − :::I should leave it at that, however this doctrine is supported by the parable of the householder who went to hire labourers in his field (Matt 20). They all got the same pay, whether they worked one hour or all day. ''The Kingdom of God is like unto'' the householder who shortchanged the guys who labored all day and paid the bum stragglers the same amount. So no, those who are saved by grace shall not be repaid according to their works. − − :::It's a gospel of grace, not of works. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 22:51, 2 November 2019 (EDT) − Line 807:
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:*Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, '''reject authority''', and revile the glorious ones. Jude 8
:*Yet in like manner these men in their dreamings defile the flesh, '''reject authority''', and revile the glorious ones. Jude 8
:*These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own passions, loud-mouthed boasters, flattering people to gain advantage. Jude 16 {{unsigned|User:Dataclarifier}}
:*These are grumblers, malcontents, following their own passions, loud-mouthed boasters, flattering people to gain advantage. Jude 16 {{unsigned|User:Dataclarifier}}
====Point one of the analysis====
====Point one of the analysis====
::::*What is God's grace?
::::*What is God's grace?
::::Once we have an understanding of these, then we can discuss baptism. Water baptism ''does not'' give anyone an understanding of these key concepts. Spiritual baptism can accelerate the process. But dogged pride, study, and learning can get you there, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:28, 3 November 2019 (EDT)
::::Once we have an understanding of these, then we can discuss baptism. Water baptism ''does not'' give anyone an understanding of these key concepts. Spiritual baptism can accelerate the process. But dogged pride, study, and learning can get you there, too. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:28, 3 November 2019 (EDT)
:::Your citation to Romans 2 here is out of place. Paul is speaking to the unsaved, to those under Law, not under grace. The first seven chapters of Romans is all spoken to those outside the family of God.
:::What does it mean to be ''in Christ?'' (Romans chapter 8 and elsewhere: ''there is therefore no condemnation to those who are in Christ''. This stands in stark contrast to those under condemnation in Romans 2, ''he will render to every man according to his works''. To be saved means to be saved from the wrath of the Law.
:::I should leave it at that, however this doctrine is supported by the parable of the householder who went to hire labourers in his field (Matt 20). They all got the same pay, whether they worked one hour or all day. ''The Kingdom of God is like unto'' the householder who shortchanged the guys who labored all day and paid the bum stragglers the same amount. So no, those who are saved by grace shall not be repaid according to their works.
:::It's a gospel of grace, not of works. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 22:51, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::"''So no, those who are saved by grace shall not be repaid according to their works.''"
::::You have just contradicted the Word of God, and condemned yourself.
::::*For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are [[Schism|factious]] and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality. Rm 2:6-11
::::*You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:24
::::*Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense, to repay every one for what he has done. Revelation 22:12. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:17, 3 November 2019 (EST)
== '''Love more than faith is necessary for salvation''' ==
== '''Love more than faith is necessary for salvation''' ==