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→Reiteration - Bible texts: Regenerative Baptism
::::::''To be carnally minded is death. To be spiritually minded is life and peace.'' This is obviously spiritual language (''but the carnal mind '''cannot''' understand''). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::''To be carnally minded is death. To be spiritually minded is life and peace.'' This is obviously spiritual language (''but the carnal mind '''cannot''' understand''). [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:54, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::''Ye must have the mind of Christ''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:02, 3 November 2019 (EDT)
::::::''Ye must have the mind of Christ''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:02, 3 November 2019 (EDT)
:::::::According to 1 Timothy 4:4-5 food received with thanksgiving is actually consecrated (made sacred, holy) by the word of God and prayer. It is the same with water consecrated for baptism by the words "I baptize you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." What is your proof from the text of Titus that the washing of regeneration is figurative? All you offered in answer was an absurdity with sarcasm and insult. You have not demonstrated or proved that "the washing" is figurative and that it cannot possibly involve water. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:00, 3 November 2019 (EST).
:::::I will not let this one pass. You are either totally ignorant of New Testament Greek, or you are an outrageously blatant liar'''!''' <br> ''In any case, you have totally [[Falsehood|falsified]] the meaning of this text of the Bible.'' By clearly doing so, you have completely disqualified yourself as a Bible Christian, by your denying of the authority of the Word of the Lord: —'''λουτροῦ''' ''loutrou''. (Your interpretation is an illicit [[Eisegesis|eisegetical]] error, not a genuine [[exegesis]].)
:::::This is not a case of a simple mistake or misunderstanding; it has serious consequences for those who believe him, and believe others who teach the same error of false interpretation. Such a man cannot be trusted with the Word of God. His words are proven incompetent and worthless. He has testified against himself. The evidence is irrefutable. Any persistence in manifest error after it is demonstrated beyond any possible remaining doubt ''[[ipso facto]]'' exposes undeniable dishonesty, an unmistakable lack of integrity, a spirit resistant to plain truth even when the truth is obvious, irrefutable and clearly evident.
:::::The Greek word here in Titus 3:5 — '''λουτροῦ''' ''loutrou'' "<nowiki>[the]</nowiki> washing" — means "a washing, a bath, a cleansing bath (of water, not the vessel), water for washing, washing". It doesn't mean anything else. The word is used twice in the New Testament (Ephesians 5:26; Titus 3:5), and has been used for more than a thousand years by ecclesiastical writers to the time of the Reformation, as a synonymous figure of speech for "baptism", "the bath of regeneration" ("washing", a bath, figurative, baptism)—the word "washing" itself in Titus 3:5, '''λουτροῦ''' ''loutrou'' (a cleansing bath of water, washing) is not figurative.
:::::The Greek word for "regeneration" here in Titus 3:5 — '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' — means "rebirth", "renovation", "restoration", "regeneration". Commonly, however, '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' denotes '''the restoration of a thing to its pristine state''', its renovation, as the renewal or restoration of life after death. <br> [http://biblehub.com/greek/3067.htm Greek dictionary '''λουτρόν''' ''loutron'' "<nowiki>[the]</nowiki> washing"] <br> [http://biblehub.com/greek/3824.htm Greek dictionary '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' "regeneration"] <br> [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/titus/3-5.htm Titus 3:5 — interlinear text] <br> [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Titus%203%3A5 Titus 3:5 — multiple versions] <br> [http://biblehub.com/commentaries/titus/3-5.htm Titus 3:5 — multiple commentaries representing the scholarship you reject]. The word "figurative" is not used in any of the commentaries on this passage, Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox. The '''παλιγγενεσία''' ''paliggenesia'' "regeneration" is not figurative rebirth, but actual spiritual rebirth, affecting the being of the one baptized, a genuine conversion of the nature of the one who has been baptized.
::::: —"Seeing, then, that God has saved us by His own act, independently of any work of ours, we ask, How has He effected this? The words we are here considering give the answer to the question. The Greek should be rendered, “by the laver of regeneration,” &c. Then, by means of the laver of regeneration, &c, has God put us into a state of salvation. In other words, He has effected this by means of “baptism” (for the laver here can only signify the baptismal font, and is called the laver of regeneration because it is the vessel consecrated to the use of that [[sacrament]]), whereby, in its completeness as a sacrament, the new life in Christ is conveyed." <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:00, 3 November 2019 (EST)
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