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Debate: Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 21:25, November 8, 2019
, 21:25, November 8, 2019→Bring forth the scriptures that say "baptism cannot save"
::::The problem with the Roman church's tradition is no different than the Jews who rejected Christ - pride in their traditions which caused them to reject the gospel of grace and cling to Law as a means to salvation. Wherefore, ''their carcasses fell in the wilderness''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:01, 8 November 2019 (EST)
::::The problem with the Roman church's tradition is no different than the Jews who rejected Christ - pride in their traditions which caused them to reject the gospel of grace and cling to Law as a means to salvation. Wherefore, ''their carcasses fell in the wilderness''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:01, 8 November 2019 (EST)
::::Continuing...
::::''He came unto his own, his own received him not... '' Jesus told ''his own'' they needed to repent and hear the Word of God. They told Jesus they didn't have to, because they were heirs of salvation (the promises made to Abraham) by birthright (''we be Abraham's seed''). Jesus told them ''you omit the finer points - judgment, mercy, and '''faith.''''' Proud in their traditions, which brought the blessings of God and prosperity on their forebears, they didn't need faith in God or to hear his Word anymore. So, having prepared a great feast, God sent his servants out unto the highways and byways to pick up all the vagabond homeless stragglers (catholics) and come fill the places he prepared for them.
::::Meantime, those who thought they were entitled to God's salvation by some ritual ceremony preformed on them at birth (circumcision), rejected faith, as we've heard over and over again in the above preaching.
::::''Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing the Word of God.'' By rejecting faith as necessary for salvation, we reject ''hearing the Word of God.'' Then to justify this doctrine, passages of the Word of God are cut and pasted to re-constitute a doctrine of Law, which of coarse always ends with some wrathful statement such as "ye shall be cast into the lake of fire."
::::God is love. God is spirit. Learning or experiencing these truths has nothing to do with water baptism, which is only symbolic. Salvation is not brought about by learning the teachings or traditions of the elders. It only comes by ''hearing the Word of God'', which circumcision and infant baptism disposes of the need to hear. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:25, 8 November 2019 (EST)
==Discussion 107: Justification of the ungodly means remission of sins: who can be baptized?==
==Discussion 107: Justification of the ungodly means remission of sins: who can be baptized?==