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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 22:03, November 27, 2019
, 22:03, November 27, 2019→RobS's position, simplified
::::—''Compare [[Traditionalism]]''.
::::—''Compare [[Traditionalism]]''.
::::--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:55, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:55, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::We Recovering Catholics have a joke, "The Roman Catholic Church thinks they got God captured in a box" - which Dataclarifier just artfully established. For those not in the know, let me explain: every Roman Catholic church has a 'tabernacle' where previously consecrated, unused communion hosts are stored. I'm not here to discuss transubstantiation, but I will relay what my brother, who was a seminarian, explained told me about his conversion: he said that at the age of 8 he wondered if everytime he took a crap, he lost Jesus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:36, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::We Recovering Catholics have a joke, "The Roman Catholic Church thinks they got God captured in a box" - which Dataclarifier just artfully established. For those not in the know, let me explain: every Roman Catholic church has a 'tabernacle' where previously consecrated, unused communion hosts are stored. I'm not here to discuss transubstantiation, but I will relay what my brother, who was a seminarian, told me about his conversion: he said that at the age of 8 he wondered if everytime he took a crap, he lost Jesus. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:36, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::*Unless one is regenerated by water and the Spirit, one cannot enter the kingdom of God. [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5 "regenerated" '''γεννεθή''' ''gennethe'' interlinear text] <br>from [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080 '''γεννάω''' ''gennao'' "procreate, regenerate"].[https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203%3A5 John 3:5]
::::*Unless one is regenerated by water and the Spirit, one cannot enter the kingdom of God. [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5 "regenerated" '''γεννεθή''' ''gennethe'' interlinear text] <br>from [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080 '''γεννάω''' ''gennao'' "procreate, regenerate"].[https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203%3A5 John 3:5]
::::What the Bible says is plain and clear. What Jesus said is plain and clear.
::::What the Bible says is plain and clear. What Jesus said is plain and clear.
::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
::::::Amazing. I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafateria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine.
No, Mr. Dataclifier, the scripture ''is not'' a smogesboard of loosely meaningless verses you can pick and choose like a cafeteria in support of an errant doctrine. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:03, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::*"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014%3A24 John 14:24]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 09:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::*"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014%3A24 John 14:24]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 09:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::*Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5 "regenerated" '''γεννεθή''' ''gennethe'' interlinear text] <br>from [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080 '''γεννάω''' ''gennao'' "procreate, regenerate"].[https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203%3A5 John 3:5]
::::*Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5 "regenerated" '''γεννεθή''' ''gennethe'' interlinear text] <br>from [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080 '''γεννάω''' ''gennao'' "procreate, regenerate"].[https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203%3A5 John 3:5]