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Line 1,100: − ::::No, it is an act of personal volition, therefore, a work, to participate in a Water Baptism ritual and it requires the work of another person to do the dunking. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 13:19, 27 November 2019 (EST)
Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
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, 18:21, November 27, 2019Undo revision 1599845 by Shobson20 (talk) Don't need to repeat myself, but religious rituals are still works, Grace is accomplished entirely in the finished work of Christ
::Above is a [[Putting words in someone's mouth|false summary statement]] "''Water Baptism is a physical act one must physically perform and is therefore a work.''" No, it isn't. No baptized person is self-baptized. The one who is baptized does not perform the work. It is a grace, a totally unmerited gift bestowed, that no one can perform for himself, it can't be earned. It is done '''''to''''' the baptized, not done '''''by''''' the baptized. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:39, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::Above is a [[Putting words in someone's mouth|false summary statement]] "''Water Baptism is a physical act one must physically perform and is therefore a work.''" No, it isn't. No baptized person is self-baptized. The one who is baptized does not perform the work. It is a grace, a totally unmerited gift bestowed, that no one can perform for himself, it can't be earned. It is done '''''to''''' the baptized, not done '''''by''''' the baptized. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 07:39, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::There are two mutually exclusive doctrines about what is required for salvation:
::There are two mutually exclusive doctrines about what is required for salvation:
:::'''''either to''''' (A)—
:::'''''either to''''' (A)—
:::*Be brought helpless to the laver of salvation <ref>Romans 5:6; Titus 3:5.</ref>, regenerated by Baptism by water and the Spirit (or by blood, being killed because of Christ, or by an unconscious inner hidden desire to do the whole will of God which would include being baptized as ordained by God for salvation if they knew of its necessity).
:::*Be brought helpless to the laver of salvation <ref>Romans 5:6; Titus 3:5.</ref>, regenerated by Baptism by water and the Spirit (or by blood, being killed because of Christ, or by an unconscious inner hidden desire to do the whole will of God which would include being baptized as ordained by God for salvation if they knew of its necessity).