User talk:Shobson20

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Please assume good faith with my editing. --Unsigned comment by user:Shobson20

If you need anything, or have any questions, feel free to let me know! --David B (TALK) 15:58, 26 December 2017 (EST)
Well, since you brought it up, I have accepted Jesus Christ, I believe in the US constitution, I believe in the 2nd Amendment, I am pro-military, I am Patriotic toward America, and I want all of the tags on my user page that show this. Shobson20 (talk) 16:54, 26 December 2017 (EST)
Okay, that shouldn't be too difficult. If you want to learn about userboxes and browse the existing options, you will want to look here: Conservapedia:Userboxes. Or, if you prefer, you can just use the applicable code I have on my profile page.
First, you need a container, so put {{userboxtop|About Me}} on the top, and {{Userboxbottom}} on the bottom (other page content goes after this). The "About Me" message on the opening tag can be changed to whatever you prefer. Then, just load in the userboxes you want. I am using {{User Christian2}} to say I am a Christian, and {{User American}} to display my patriotism. I don't have a box specifically for the Constitution, expect for the limited government one: {{User limited govt}}. You can use that, or use this more straightforward one: {{User Constitution}}. Regarding the second amendment, I assume you are specificly talking about the right to have and bear arms. For that, you would probably want to use {{User progun}}. For the military, you probably want {{User patriot}}.
I think that covers everything, but if I missed anything, let me know. Also, feel free to look around for others you might like by clicking through the categories.
If all of my assumptions were correct, then you will want to put the following on your profile page:
{{userboxtop|About Me}}
{{User Christian2}}
{{User American}}
{{User Constitution}}
{{User progun}}
{{User patriot}}
Let me know if there's anything else I can do! --David B (TALK) 22:47, 27 December 2017 (EST)

Troll blocking

Surprisingly, it's been 5 days since CP has had a troll blocked. Shobson20 (talk) 01:27, 15 June 2018 (EDT)

They come and go in waves. I'm sure they will be back, but that's no problem. We'll deal with them as we always do, when they return. Also, I don't know how much this has been helping, but I've been blocking many IP addresses (using my bot) which can be used for sock accounts.
The thing is, they know this, but just want to waste our time and bother us. --David B (TALK) 20:09, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
Are those IP addresses used on VPNs? Someone who uses a VPN can use alter their IP address at will to get around IP address blocks.Shobson20 (talk) 22:37, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
So what does it take to have the ability to hide revisions on the history list? Does it take full admin privileges? Shobson20 (talk) 21:35, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
Yes, only full administrators can do that. You can ask admins like Karajou or Aschlafly to do specific hides, if needed. --David B (TALK) 21:51, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
I think DMorris can also do it, and he's somewhat active as well so you could try asking him, too. --David B (TALK) 21:54, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
Regarding trolls coming and going in waves, this is true. The worst of it most often comes in the summertime, when school is out and some kids are bored and have nothing better to do, so they go online (most often without parental supervision) and get into mischief there. Northwest (talk) 22:26, 15 June 2018 (EDT)
And regarding your question about the IP addresses, you are correct that they can mask their IP, but it is those mask IPs we often block, so that they have a harder time of getting through. I don't want to discuss it in detail on a public talk page, though. They might learn something we would prefer they didn't know.
Northwest, I hadn't really thought about summer vacation for schools, but that makes sense--good point! --David B (TALK) 03:13, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

It didn't last, 3 users recently got blocked. Shobson20 (talk) 19:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

They waste time making troll edits. I can undo their vandalism in seconds and then hit the block button. Shobson20 (talk) 16:45, 6 February 2019 (EST)

Something I heard from an Atheist

I have seen twice from Atheists, that if they actually observed molecules-to-man evolution, that would somehow be evidence against it. Let me get this straight, If you could somehow travel back in time and live for the billions of years that molecules-to-man evolution would take and directly observe what you claim happened back then, it would somehow DISprove it? That's like saying that observing objects falling would somehow disprove gravity. Shobson20 (talk) 19:16, 20 October 2018 (EDT)


Congratulations on your promotion! --David B (TALK) 00:28, 16 December 2018 (EST)

I thought of saying something on my user page along the lines of "watch out, trolls, I'm coming after you now!" But I decided not to because I feel that it's inappropriate because:
  1. It would sound like I was bragging and Matthew 23:12 says: "For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted." and James 4:6 says: "But he gives us more grace. That is why Scripture says: 'God opposes the proud but shows favor to the humble.'" In the original Greek, the word for proud means "to puff one's self up."
  2. I believe that Andy expects a certain level of decorum from people on this site, especially those to whom he has granted certain admin privileges. I think it is important to exercise a certain level of maturity and responsibility when you've been put in a position where your voice represents this site. After all, Jesus did not proudly flaunt the authority given to him by his Father.Shobson20 (talk) 00:44, 16 December 2018 (EST)
That sounds like a wise choice--those are good reasons. Also, the way I see it, turning our focus to vandals gives them a sort of victory--they will have changed our behavior. However, there is nothing wrong with countering attacks to a reasonable degree.
As just a bit of housekeeping, please avoid blocking IP addresses indefinitely. The "Automatically block the last IP address used by this user..." option enables autoblock, which is very helpful and should typically be used. However, some IPs belong to entire schools, libraries, and companies, plus IP addresses get reassigned over time. Blocking them for long periods of time can prevent legitimate users from editing. For now, probably figure that a ban using autoblock should not typically be longer than a year. You can disable autoblock and ban an account permanently, but the IP will not be blocked, so they can just make another account. --David B (TALK) 01:19, 16 December 2018 (EST)
You also have rules about not changing block status set by a higher level admin too, don't you? Shobson20 (talk) 01:40, 16 December 2018 (EST)
I don't know if there's an official rule, but unofficially, we're not supposed to change admin blocks. Also, we strongly discourage the use of indefinite blocks. For regular vandals, just do six months or one year (Andy also prefers 3-month blocks), and for very serious vandals, do 2-5 years. --1990'sguy (talk) 13:58, 16 December 2018 (EST)
I've also seen an admin tell a sysop not to block over potentially contentious edits and leave that decision to the senior admins. Shobson20 (talk) 16:31, 16 December 2018 (EST)

Where is the "User Name Policy" written?

I have seen users get blocked because of a "user name policy" which is not written anywhere that I can find by any normal searching means. Shobson20 (talk) 23:47, 6 February 2019 (EST)

Please see Conservapedia:Guidelines#Member Accounts -- I think this is the relevant phrase in the section: "Obscene or offensive usernames will be blocked on sight." --1990'sguy (talk) 08:52, 7 February 2019 (EST)

New potential article

There's something I want to make but don't know if it should be an essay or mainspace article. In general, it's about why left-wing ideas are antithetical to biblical principles. From the obvious to not-so-obvious, I want to cover them all in one space. Shobson20 (talk) 20:38, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

Great idea -- if the article is making an argument, it would be better to make it an essay (you could still add it to the "see also" sections of certain relevant articles). If the article is describing rather than arguing, it can be mainspace. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:44, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
Here's an example, the Left is big on virtue signalling, right? Read Matthew Chapter 6. Leftism also fosters a culture of envy of "the 1 percent" and envy is named among sins several places. Shobson20 (talk) 20:57, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
If you want it to be a mainspace article, I suggest as a title something along the line of Liberalism and biblical principles -- as an encyclopedia article, its tone would have to be one of explanation rather than argument. Please keep in mind that a mainspace article is generally expected to have more sources and stricter formatting guidelines. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2019 (EDT)
In a mainspace article, I don't think I could get away with saying "Leftists express a sense of envy every time they talk about some kind of 'privilege' such as 'white privilege' or 'male privilege' which is usually an excuse for their own under-achievement." Shobson20 (talk) 21:28, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

Why does this site keep breaking?

No other website I've ever seen breaks down as often as this. Is anyone else frustrated? Shobson20 (talk) 22:58, 23 March 2020 (EDT)

We're having a problem with the web host...sorry about that. For now, please save a backup of any edits you make. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:06, 23 March 2020 (EDT)
So it's not another DDOS attack? Shobson20 (talk) 23:16, 23 March 2020 (EDT)
No, our hosting provider did an upgrade, but botched it up. They are working on fixing it now. --DavidB4 (TALK) 23:18, 23 March 2020 (EDT)
It should be fixed now--let us know if you have more issues like this. --DavidB4 (TALK) 01:44, 24 March 2020 (EDT)

Finally unlocked

Locking this site all day yesterday was absurd and ridiculous. Shobson20 (talk) 11:05, 26 March 2020 (EDT)

Was that why I couldn't edit at all yesterday? --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 11:22, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Yes, I emailed DavidB4 about it several times and he said he contacted Andy, BUT NOBODY DID ANYTHING. Shobson20 (talk) 11:26, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
At least we can make edits today. I do wish I had an edit tag though... --LiberaltearsYour reminder that Biden committed quid pro joe 11:38, 26 March 2020 (EDT)

Your inquiry about Mercian

Who is "Mercian," and why do you send so many messages to him/her? Is (s)he from that other infamous website-that-shall-not-be-named? Shobson20 (talk) 22:36, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

I have decided to no longer pay attention to ankle-biters. If you create content that gets a lot of views, you are bound to get some unreasonable critics.
Nehemiah in the Old Testament chose to ignore his unreasonable critics. Often that is the best course of action.
Of course, there is a place for listening to constructive criticism and even unreasonable people can sometimes offer valid criticism. After all is said and done, you just have to have a proper balance in this matter and not be overly concerned about critics - especially ones of the unreasonable variety.
Lastly, to answer you question, Mercian is the editor of an atheist/agnostic wiki that you alluded to.Conservative (talk) 23:38, 16 April 2020 (EDT)

They are capitalist with a welfare state.

You're still not going to make this site say things like "but we criticise it anyway because leftists like it." Watch yourself, CP is a publisher, not a platform. If the mods get the idea that you're inserting a liberal point of view, they will block you quickly. RobSmith reverted your other edits, and he's an administrator. Now don't start edit warring with admins. Shobson20 (talk) 14:59, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

Map of China

I believe that the map for the article on China needs to be changed to show Tibet as separate. Is it possible that this can be done?Bytemsbu (talk) 14:24, 15 May 2020 (EDT)
From what I know, the image would probably have to be re-uploaded, as files can't be over-written. --LiberaltearsJust say no to quid pro joe! | Free Roger Stone! 17:17, 15 May 2020 (EDT)

Catholic vs. Protestant debates: I posted this material on User: NishantXavier and User: RobSmith's talk pages

Please read this material I posted on User: NishantXavier's and User: RobSmith's talk pages.

Please stop having debates on talk pages. Conservapedia has debate pages

Conservapedia has debate pages. For example, here is a debate page: Debate:Are alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine gateway drugs?.

What I see now is a whole bunch of repetitive and poorly organized material on talk pages dealing with Catholic vs. Protestant issues that is not bringing web traffic. This needs to stop. I stopped reading this repetive material and I am others have as well.

If you are going to have debates, for the sake of Conservapedia readers, have them on debate pages. Nobody wants to read poorly organized and repetitive material.

So please stop having debates on talk pages. Conservapedia has debate pages.

Thank you.Conservative (talk) 14:14, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

Addendum: Re: Catholic vs. Protestant debates on talk pages

I posted the below message to RobSmith and it refines my thinking on this matter.

RobSmith, I know you do your best to bring in web traffic which Conservapedians appreciate.

I have a small request.

Conservapedia has debate pages. For example, here is a debate page: Debate:Are alcohol, marijuana, and nicotine gateway drugs?.

Having a debate on a specific issue, would make the debate exchanges more organized and debates with debate titles on the page would be more organized.

I would also suggest setting up debate guidelines. Because right now the back and forth between the Protestants and Catholics is getting repetitive. And because it is on talk pages, it tends not to be very organized.

What I see now is a whole bunch of repetitive and poorly organized material on talk pages dealing with Catholic vs. Protestant issues that is not bringing web traffic.

If you are going to have debates, for the sake of Conservapedia readers, have them on debate pages. Conservative (talk) 14:23, 18 July 2020 (EDT)


My main criticism is that these Protestant vs. Catholic exchanges are not on talk page articles relevant to the topic. They are not on debate pages. They are on User talk pages which is the worst places for these exchanges to take place.

When these exchanges take place on user talk pages, they tend to be unorganized, repetitive and "no holds barred". There are no rules or conventions when it comes to user talk pages. But article talk pages tend to be more topically relevant and organized. Debate pages tend to also be more organized and less repetitive. Conservative (talk) 17:21, 18 July 2020 (EDT)

The Debate bait

Oh, you can quote me. I'm just not participating personally anymore. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 16:28, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

That's fine, I think Richard Bennett says what you said far better. He was a Catholic PRIEST and he says his teaching emphasized tradition and history over the Bible, as well as saying "While I had learned earlier that God’s Word is absolute, I still went through this agony of trying to maintain the Roman Catholic Church as holding more authority than God’s Word, even in issues where the Church of Rome was saying the exact opposite to what was in the Bible." Shobson20 (talk) 17:32, 20 July 2020 (EDT)
Sorry, I just now found your note on my talk page. email me at RobSTrump 2Q2Q 20:11, 24 July 2020 (EDT)


Thank for your assistance and support.

Andy did agree with me that Catholic vs. Protestant issues are best done on debate pages which are: more informative, better organized, more civil and bring in more search engine traffic (Search engines like topically focused pages and user talk pages are a mishmash of various subjects and therefore do not rank well in the search results).

If there are any Catholic vs. Protestant issues as far as mainspace articles, the articles can be made objective with each side giving their position. And any disputes involving the mainspace articles being handled on the talk pages of the respective articles in a civil manner.Conservative (talk) 15:28, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

There is still one loose cannon though. And that is Liberaltears. He keeps posting on various Admin pages accusing you, me, and Rob of conspiring against the Catholic users. He also likes to keep bringing up how I complained to Andy about being ignored when I requested night edit rights back in January. To set the record straight, I stopped talking about that once Andy responded, but LT won't shut up about it. I assume that you also are declaring that users stop sniping about these issues. So if he does it again, I will delete his comments and block him again. Liberaltears, the horse is dead, stop beating it. Shobson20 (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

I completely agree with you for once

Hi Shobson20, notwithstanding my irritation over your block of me, I must say that I completely agree with the statement you had just put on your user page; in fact, seeing that was when I came up with the great idea of creating this userbox, especially after what had happened throughout today! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Thursday, 19:07, 6 August 2020 (EDT)


Hi Shobson20, I contributed what I could so far (at the very moment) to some of the essays you started, since you mentioned here that you wished more editors would add on to them. Now that I've added some details to your essay creations, do you suppose you'd want to participate in this debate I started a while ago? I had initially been disappointed that no one seemed interested in it. Also, did you by any chance see what VargasMilan said about me here, presuming me to be a sockpuppet of Dataclarifier? Thanks! —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 23:46, 23 August 2020 (EDT)

I don't know anything about Susan Collins. I added Nancy Pelosi saying "We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it." to your "Worst Liberal Quotes" essay. Shobson20 (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
Thank you Shobson20 for contributing to "Essay:Worst Liberal Quotes"! And about the debate over Sen. Collins, the main thing to understand is that she's liberal on social issues, has a mixed record on fiscal matters, and tends to side with incumbents on judicial nominations. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 00:10, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
My guess is Susan Collins won't e around for very long, and when she's gone she'll either be replaced by a commie Dem or a younger version of herself. It's not Collins that's the problem, it's the idiots in Maine. RobSTrump 2Q2Q 01:20, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
I don't think she'll be replaced by a younger version of herself, as it'd be near impossible for any future RINO to make it past a Republican primary election; also, regarding the 2020 U.S. Senate election in Maine, Collins may out-perform Trump among independent voters while still getting a mostly strong support from the Trump base (due to voting for Kavanaugh and against impeachment) and may even still have the slight crossover appeal to some moderate Democrat voters in just a close enough margin to pull off a victory over Sara Gideon. See here for my recent analysis of a PPP poll conducted over the election. —LiberaltearsMay Dataclarifier be well! | Don't be an anti-Catholic zealot! Monday, 01:27, 24 August 2020 (EDT)

Romanian TVee

Do you follow Romanian TVee? RobSFree Kyle! 08:44, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

I am going to be inactive indefinitely

All you who voted Dem in this election: you voted to affirm riots, property destruction, violence, and MURDER! You affirm the false narrative of "police brutality" because you don't do real research and get the FACTS of those cases. You have NO MORAL HIGH GROUND TO STAND ON!!!! If you're "pro-choice," you affirm this: [1] You also vote AGAINST the first Amendment because you affirm big tech censorship. Go ahead and try to defend your actions, I DARE YOU. Shobson20 (talk) 15:17, 8 November 2020 (EST)

You bloviate about the "mostly peaceful protests" and only condemn the right for using the violence as a political weapon. It's obvious where your priorities are. You demand that Trump denounce White Supremacists (which he has done, for years [2] ) yet you won't condemn this. As Jesus said to his followers, "You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye." Matthew 7:5 Shobson20 (talk) 15:43, 8 November 2020 (EST)

Insults are not arguments and they prove nothing. Shobson20 (talk) 15:50, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Actually, they do prove one thing, that Biden supporters are trolls and scum. Thank you for giving me even more evidence to prove the point I was just trying to make. The troll said: "Well, then get to it and **** off, and have fun getting ***** deep in the squealing hog you dress up as your wife. Loser." This is what Democrat and Biden voters look like, people. Shobson20 (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2020 (EST)

And if my guess is right (after seeing that vandalism edit in your talk page editing history), that's also what the Juvenile Delinquent looks like in all his immaturity and childishness, per usual. Northwest (talk) 17:54, 10 November 2020 (EST)

Test edit

To see if autoblock is blocking me. Shobson20 (talk) 19:13, 9 December 2020 (EST)

Rollback privileges

I've just added rollback privileges to your account. Thanks for your alert blocking and undoing of vandalism tonight!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2020 (EST)

Can you set my user page so that only those with "edit" privileges can edit it (That way I can still edit it and new vandals making socks can't)? Shobson20 (talk) 20:13, 9 December 2020 (EST)
The only mid-level protection I have available is autoconfirmed users, which I just did for your user page. I hope that solves the problem. By the way, the vandalism should be over for now so you can edit enjoyably. Thank you.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 20:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)
What does "patrolled" mean? Shobson20 (talk) 20:23, 9 December 2020 (EST)

Too gay also

Federal law prohibits discrimination based upon sexual orientation. [3] This is on you individually, and not upon Conservapedia and/or its participants. RobSFree Kyle! 20:57, May 28, 2021 (EDT)

Liberal POV

We do not block for Liberal POV. Now, liberal POV can, in many many circumstances, be synonymous with trolling. Please use the appropriate reason for blocking in the edit summanry. Thank you. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:47, December 21, 2021 (EST)

Andy has done that plenty of times, and so have other moderators. This is CONSERVApedia after all. Shobson20 (talk) 13:50, December 21, 2021 (EST)
As noted, Liberal POV can be synonymous with trolling. In your case, please use the drop down list. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:54, December 21, 2021 (EST)
For example, the troll blanked a page; that can differ from inserting Liberal POV. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 13:56, December 21, 2021 (EST)
Sorry about undoing your block on the latest troll - I didn't see that he vandalized two pages. Of late, we are trying to be less heavy handed in giving out blocks without warning to users who otherwise could be rehabilitated or turned into more productive editors. Again, good catch. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 04:01, December 22, 2021 (EST)

Blocking duration

Our current policy is to limit blocks to 6 months after other measures have been taken for abuse. Sure, sometimes a block exceeding 6 months is warranted, however you should consult an Admin. Page lock and other methods can be employed. Even cases of non-profane vandalism do not always require the maximum 6 month block without warning. Warnings can and should be issued. In the recent case where you alleged a sockpuppet repeat offender, and issued a one year block, assuming you had good cause, the block should be limited to 6 months. Thank you for your attention to this matter. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 17:51, January 1, 2022 (EST)

The account that I allege as a sock puppet was because there were at least two other accounts that made the same vandalism on the Donald Trump page. "Jackmccoy" was doing the same vandalism as "Bashir" and "Sisko." Also, the other two accounts are both named after Star Trek DS9 characters. Shobson20 (talk) 22:41, January 1, 2022 (EST)
Well, we don't know if it is the same individual, the same IP, or a team. Provided the vandalism is not profane or parody, the page can be locked without having to block the user account and instructions or warnings can be given to an abusive user. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:13, January 1, 2022 (EST)
The vandalism is question is a legitimate POV among a large brainwashed segment of the electorate. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 23:17, January 1, 2022 (EST)
It's obvious by the edits though that this is just one of the many twerps who make hundreds of sock accounts to vandalize the same page repeatedly. It's their raison d'etre. I've dealt with vandals that are so determined to deface articles that they make new socks literally within SECONDS of their accounts getting blocked. I had to stay on the ball blocking and reverting the vandalism until Andy finally steps in by temporarily disabling account creation. I only have blocking capabilities, I don't have page locking capabilities. Shobson20 (talk) 23:30, January 1, 2022 (EST)
That's why you need to consult with an Admin. In the past several months CP has undergone a policy shift on blocking and toward abusive editors. We also are trying to improve communication between sysops and asst sysops, encourage more discussion among editors, and move away from heavy handed blocking. We are trying to be fair to good faith editors who may have made a few mistakes, while expanding the user base. In the past, knee-jerk arbitrary blocking has not been useful to building the project. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:11, January 2, 2022 (EST)
Vandals can vandalize a lot faster than admins can respond. It took a looong time for Andy to respond to that vandal I told you about who was making a sock every few seconds. Most of the senior admins don't respond as fast as the vandals can vandalize. I originally made this account so I could undo vandalism faster, but I would be stuck edit warring with the vandals until someone with blocking capabilities eventually responded and blocked the Vandal. The kind of people who just want to deface pages and mess with this site are pretty obvious, especially that one who wants to deface the J6 protest and Donald Trump articles to push the MSM narrative. And then there's that childish bully who keeps making socks to pick on Northwest. Shobson20 (talk) 00:30, January 2, 2022 (EST)
Yes, you are on point about much of the problem. In 2021, Admins have had extensive review and discussion behind the scenes, which has led to the current 6 month max. Me personally, I am very much aware of how the vandals, and organized vandals, operate. In the case we are referring to now about three vandal attacks on the Trump page, you could hand out 6 month blocks based upon your reasonable suspicion they originate with the same gang of coordinated attacks. However after strike two or three, you then can approach an Admin and request a (probably temporary) page lock. I try to stay on top of this stuff, but can't always be everywhere at once. So I need your help. Please stay within the blocking guidelines, and demonstrate good faith that you want to help build the user base. Thank you. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 00:41, January 2, 2022 (EST)