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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 23:40, November 27, 2019
, 23:40, November 27, 2019→RobS's position, simplified
:::::::'''Jesus''' said, "Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."<br>'''Peter''' said, "Baptism '''saves''' you now."<br>"Jesus '''saves''' us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit."<br>'''Jesus''' said, "He who believes '''and''' is baptized will be '''saved'''; but he who does not believe will be condemned."<br>'''Jesus''' said, "He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me."
:::::::'''Jesus''' said, "Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."<br>'''Peter''' said, "Baptism '''saves''' you now."<br>"Jesus '''saves''' us by the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Holy Spirit."<br>'''Jesus''' said, "He who believes '''and''' is baptized will be '''saved'''; but he who does not believe will be condemned."<br>'''Jesus''' said, "He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me."
:::::::I believe Him. I believe what he said. I believe the Bible. You do not.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::I believe Him. I believe what he said. I believe the Bible. You do not.<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:04, 27 November 2019 (EST)
My pastor recently gave more than one sermon on water baptism leading up to several people getting baptized. He was adamant that people should get water baptised and that they would be being disobedient to God if they didn't. In short, if you don't get baptised and you have an opportunity to get baptised, then you have a bad attitude. But he did concede that the thief on the cross who repented did go to heaven without being water baptised of course.
Next, one of my favorite courses in college was Logic 101. I also very much enjoyed the computer classes that I took also. And I could immediately tell that Dataclarifier was wrong about this matter: [https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-Mark-16-16.html Does Mark 16:16 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?]. The author of the article was correct when he wrote: In order for this verse to teach that baptism is necessary for salvation, a third statement would be necessary, viz., “He who believes and is not baptized will be condemned” or “He who is not baptized will be condemned.” But, of course, neither of these statements is found in the verse.
In addition, the Bible teaches that faith without works is dead (Epistle of James). In short, true faith will produce works. If you have faith, then you will want to get baptised and will get baptised. On the other hand, the Bible clearly teaches that one is saved by faith and not by works lest any man should boast (Paul's letter to the Ephesians). This is such a simple concept. If you don't get it, it is because you don't want to get it.
Also, nowhere in the New Testament is infant baptism taught.
And then there is church history.
Consider:
"Tertullian is the earliest to reference to the practice of infant baptism. He advised against it.
The Apostolic Tradition’s description of the ceremony of baptism shows that it was designed for those who were old enough to take an active part.
In fact, the confession of faith was so integral to baptism that, if a person could not confess the faith themselves, parents or someone else in the family would speak on their behalf.
A century after Tertullian, Cyprian advocated for infant baptism, although for many years this remained the exception to the rule of full immersion. Infant baptism did not become routine until the fifth and sixth centuries."[https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/early-church-infant-baptism-or-full-immersion][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 27 November 2019 (EST)