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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
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A century after Tertullian, Cyprian advocated for infant baptism, although for many years this remained the exception to the rule of full immersion. Infant baptism did not become routine until the fifth and sixth centuries."[https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/early-church-infant-baptism-or-full-immersion][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 27 November 2019 (EST)
A century after Tertullian, Cyprian advocated for infant baptism, although for many years this remained the exception to the rule of full immersion. Infant baptism did not become routine until the fifth and sixth centuries."[https://zondervanacademic.com/blog/early-church-infant-baptism-or-full-immersion][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:Objections to Jesus' requirement of water baptism are fundamentally (pun intended) based on the erroneous belief that Catholicism teaches that the doctrine of regenerative baptism infallibly secures salvation eternally, infallibly, irrevocably for infants who grow to adulthood and that it cannot for any reason be rescinded or cancelled because of sin—therefore, no one baptized as an infant can lose their salvation. <br> That is not Catholic doctrine. It isn't biblical doctrine. <br> See [[Eternal security (salvation)]] "''once saved, always saved''". The New Testament ''repeatedly'' warns believers that they '''can lose the grace of salvation!''' <br> According to the doctrine of regenerative baptism of infants (''which is nowhere condemned in the Bible'') one is saved now by baptism, and that afterward, as they mature and come to increasing growth in their conscious grasp of the supernaturally infused baptismal faith by the supernatural help of the grace of baptism in their souls, they can rebelliously turn away from faith in Christ, and lose the grace of salvation unto eternal life that God the Holy Spirit poured into the soul with the washing of regeneration and renewal in the Spirit and be condemned. "He who believes '''and''' is baptized will be saved, but he who does not believe will be damned." (Failure to believe afterward.) The Church warns her baptized children and adult converts, ''in complete agreement with the Bible'', that the sin of presumption in believing they can now go ahead and freely sin with impunity because they are baptized is mortally fatal, and that purposely sinning kills the grace of salvation in the soul.<br>'''It is not Catholic or Bible doctrine that baptism permanently secures eternal salvation.''' Salvation is an eternal gift of unmerited grace as long as one remains faithful to God ('''Ezekiel 18'''). It is also not Bible doctrine that faith alone saves infallibly and irrevocably. Salvation by regenerative baptism can be lost by sin. Salvation by faith alone can be lost. If this is unclear, I will post all the warnings in the New Testament that say we must persevere in grace (of baptism) to the end to be saved. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 19:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)