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::Let me get one step ahead of you: [https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Matthew-7-21-23.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-10-26.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/apostasy-salvation.html] These are old canards. People much wiser than us have been debating them for a long time. Also, no, I do not think that Catholics believe that baptism is eternal security, nor do the people on the Gotquestions website. But Catholics do think it's necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 20:38, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::Let me get one step ahead of you: [https://www.gotquestions.org/Christian-lose-salvation.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-6.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Matthew-7-21-23.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Hebrews-10-26.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/once-saved-always-saved.html] [https://www.gotquestions.org/apostasy-salvation.html] These are old canards. People much wiser than us have been debating them for a long time. Also, no, I do not think that Catholics believe that baptism is eternal security, nor do the people on the Gotquestions website. But Catholics do think it's necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 20:38, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
:::Dataclarifier is hardly an expert on scripture, as has been aptly demonstrated across the three pages he spams. He can't answer the most rudimentary questions of scripture. When asked, "What is salvation?", he claim's "baptism is salvation." When asked, "What is grace?", he claims "baptism is an 'act of grace." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
:::Dataclarifier is hardly an expert on scripture, as has been aptly demonstrated across the three pages he spams. He can't answer the most rudimentary questions of scripture. When asked, "What is salvation?", he claim's "baptism is salvation." When asked, "What is grace?", he claims "baptism is an 'act of grace." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
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::::SHobson's declaration that "Catholics do think [baptism] is necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments", doesn't follow from even the most obvious evidence.  Matrimony is one of the seven sacraments.  So being married is "necessary to get to heaven"? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:34, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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