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::::*Even little infants are called by God. [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke%2018%3A16 Luke 18:16]<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 08:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::*Even little infants are called by God. [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Luke%2018%3A16 Luke 18:16]<br>--[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 08:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::What the Bible says is plain and clear. What Jesus said is plain and clear.  
 
::::What the Bible says is plain and clear. What Jesus said is plain and clear.  
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::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
 
::::*"Why do you not understand what I say? It is because you cannot bear to hear my word." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A43 John 8:43]. "He who is of God hears the words of God; the reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%208%3A47 John 8:47].
 
::::::Amazing.  I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where Jesus explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafeteria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine.  
 
::::::Amazing.  I posted the full context of John 8:43 above where Jesus explains the faith of Abraham is what determines your salvation, and not a ritual ceremony at birth. Mr. Dataclarfier then, who likes to accuse people of "[[Cafeteria Christianity]]", ignores the context of John chapter 8 and posts it in support of his errant doctrine.  
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:::::::Scripture is not meaningless. All of it in context is true. But some twist its meaning to their own destruction by ignoring and contradicting chosen selected parts as unworthy of belief. 2&nbsp;Peter 3:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
:::::::Scripture is not meaningless. All of it in context is true. But some twist its meaning to their own destruction by ignoring and contradicting chosen selected parts as unworthy of belief. 2&nbsp;Peter 3:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::::::Stop ignoring my scriptural questions, then. Whom was Jesus speaking to when he said ''Ye are of your father the devil'', and ''why'' did he say that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::::::Stop ignoring my scriptural questions, then. Whom was Jesus speaking to when he said ''Ye are of your father the devil'', and ''why'' did he say that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
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<big><big>'''Hey Dataclarifier! Stop ignoring me! Come up here and answer this question before you ramble on with more nonsense.'''</big></big>[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:44, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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::::*"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014%3A24 John 14:24]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 09:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::*"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014%3A24 John 14:24]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 09:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
 
::::*Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5 "regenerated" '''γεννεθή''' ''gennethe'' interlinear text] <br>from [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080 '''γεννάω''' ''gennao'' "procreate, regenerate"].[https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203%3A5 John 3:5]
 
::::*Except a man be regenerated by water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. [http://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/3-5.htm John 3:5 "regenerated" '''γεννεθή''' ''gennethe'' interlinear text] <br>from [http://biblehub.com/greek/1080 '''γεννάω''' ''gennao'' "procreate, regenerate"].[https://biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%203%3A5 John 3:5]
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::Is there a difference between "salvation" and "redemption"?  Or are they same and only seem different depending on the different contexts in which they happen to appear? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:45, 28 November 2019 (EST)
 
::Is there a difference between "salvation" and "redemption"?  Or are they same and only seem different depending on the different contexts in which they happen to appear? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:45, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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:::Redemption is a 'buying back' from sin and bondage, which yes, is a form of salvation. Salvation ''per see'' however is much more than just liberation from bondage. It refers to a present and future tense also, being saved from relapsing into the bondage of sin in this world, and being saved from the wrath of God and judgement in law.[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:44, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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