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Line 1,136: − <big><big>'''Hey Dataclarifier! Stop ignoring me! Come up here and answer this question before you ramble on with more nonsense.'''</big></big>[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:44, 28 November 2019 (EST) + Line 1,177:
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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
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:::::::Scripture is not meaningless. All of it in context is true. But some twist its meaning to their own destruction by ignoring and contradicting chosen selected parts as unworthy of belief. 2 Peter 3:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::::::Scripture is not meaningless. All of it in context is true. But some twist its meaning to their own destruction by ignoring and contradicting chosen selected parts as unworthy of belief. 2 Peter 3:15-18. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 18:17, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::Stop ignoring my scriptural questions, then. Whom was Jesus speaking to when he said ''Ye are of your father the devil'', and ''why'' did he say that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::::::Stop ignoring my scriptural questions, then. Whom was Jesus speaking to when he said ''Ye are of your father the devil'', and ''why'' did he say that? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
<big><big>'''Hey Dataclarifier! Stop ignoring me! Come up here and answer this question before you ramble on with more nonsense.'''</big></big>[[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:44, 28 November 2019 (EST)
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::::*"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014%3A24 John 14:24]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 09:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::*"He who does not love me does not keep my words; and the word which you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me." [https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/John%2014%3A24 John 14:24]. <br> --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 09:56, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::Dataclarifier is hardly an expert on scripture, as has been aptly demonstrated across the three pages he spams. He can't answer the most rudimentary questions of scripture. When asked, "What is salvation?", he claim's "baptism is salvation." When asked, "What is grace?", he claims "baptism is an 'act of grace." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
:::Dataclarifier is hardly an expert on scripture, as has been aptly demonstrated across the three pages he spams. He can't answer the most rudimentary questions of scripture. When asked, "What is salvation?", he claim's "baptism is salvation." When asked, "What is grace?", he claims "baptism is an 'act of grace." [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:00, 27 November 2019 (EST)
::::SHobson's declaration that "Catholics do think [baptism] is necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments", doesn't follow from even the most obvious evidence. Matrimony is one of the seven sacraments. So being married is "necessary to get to heaven"? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:34, 28 November 2019 (EST)
::::SHobson's declaration that "Catholics do think [baptism] is necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments", doesn't follow from even the most obvious evidence. Matrimony is one of the seven sacraments. So being married is "necessary to get to heaven"? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:34, 28 November 2019 (EST)
::::::Dataclarifier's argument is essentially that baptism is an admission ticket to compete in a gospel of works. In neither context - baptism at birth or judgement at death - is the blood of Christ necessary, or a guarantee, of salvation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:55, 28 November 2019 (EST)
:::::'''Salvation [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm]. Grace [http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm]. Abundant scripture provided.''' There it is. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:39, 28 November 2019 (EST)
:::::'''Salvation [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm]. Grace [http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm]. Abundant scripture provided.''' There it is. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:39, 28 November 2019 (EST)
:::::'''Topical Bible: Salvation [https://biblehub.com/topical/s/salvation.htm] Grace [https://biblehub.com/topical/g/grace.htm]'''. There it is. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:48, 28 November 2019 (EST)
:::::'''Topical Bible: Salvation [https://biblehub.com/topical/s/salvation.htm] Grace [https://biblehub.com/topical/g/grace.htm]'''. There it is. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:48, 28 November 2019 (EST)