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Talk:Infant baptism (view source)
Revision as of 13:30, November 28, 2019
, 13:30, November 28, 2019→RobS's position, simplified: quote blood of Christ CCC 1225
::::SHobson's declaration that "Catholics do think [baptism] is necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments", doesn't follow from even the most obvious evidence. Matrimony is one of the seven sacraments. So being married is "necessary to get to heaven"? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:34, 28 November 2019 (EST)
::::SHobson's declaration that "Catholics do think [baptism] is necessary to get to Heaven as one of their 7 Sacraments", doesn't follow from even the most obvious evidence. Matrimony is one of the seven sacraments. So being married is "necessary to get to heaven"? [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 01:34, 28 November 2019 (EST)
::::::Dataclarifier's argument is essentially that baptism is an admission ticket to compete in a gospel of works. In neither context - baptism at birth or judgement at death - is the blood of Christ necessary, or a guarantee, of salvation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:55, 28 November 2019 (EST)
::::::Dataclarifier's argument is essentially that baptism is an admission ticket to compete in a gospel of works. In neither context - baptism at birth or judgement at death - is the blood of Christ necessary, or a guarantee, of salvation. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:55, 28 November 2019 (EST)
'''The blood of Christ—'''[http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1225.htm '''Catechism of the Catholic Church 1225'''] (<small>''boldface emphasis added''</small>
:"'''1225''' In his Passover Christ opened to all men the fountain of Baptism. He had already spoken of his Passion, which he was about to suffer in Jerusalem, as a "Baptism" with which he had to be baptized. The '''blood''' and water that flowed from the pierced side of the crucified Jesus are types of Baptism and the Eucharist, the sacraments of new life. From then on, it is possible "to be born of water and the Spirit" in order to enter the Kingdom of God.
::<small>See where you are baptized, '''see where Baptism comes from, if not from the cross of Christ, from his death.''' There is the whole mystery: he died for you. In him you are redeemed, in him you are saved.</small>"
[http://biblehub.com/titus/3-5.htm '''Titus 3:5''' Greek λουτρού "water-washing"]
There you have the blood of Christ in baptism which saves us now. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 08:30, 28 November 2019 (EST)
:::::'''Salvation [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm]. Grace [http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm]. Abundant scripture provided.''' There it is. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:39, 28 November 2019 (EST)
:::::'''Salvation [http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/p2s2c1a1.htm]. Grace [http://scborromeo.org/ccc/p3s1c3a2.htm]. Abundant scripture provided.''' There it is. --[[User:Dataclarifier|Dataclarifier]] ([[User talk:Dataclarifier|talk]]) 01:39, 28 November 2019 (EST)