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::Yes, no, and maybe. You have to look participation rates by demographic group. To say, "Blacks voted blah blah blah" is meaningless. You have to look at the Democrat primary participation rate of blacks at its peak in 2008 and 2012; then compare it to 2016 and 2020. What you will find is apathy in a shrinking base. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:19, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::Yes, no, and maybe. You have to look participation rates by demographic group. To say, "Blacks voted blah blah blah" is meaningless. You have to look at the Democrat primary participation rate of blacks at its peak in 2008 and 2012; then compare it to 2016 and 2020. What you will find is apathy in a shrinking base. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:19, 23 February 2020 (EST)
== Bernie ahead of Bloomberg 31 points ==
Bloomberg flew too close to the sun and was Berned to a crisp. Only Superdelegate can save us now. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 16:00, 20 February 2020 (EST)
:Bloomberg certainly had an awful night in Nevada. Bernie may be the frontrunner at this point, but he is getting only 30 percent in the polls. The other 70 percent of primary voters can viewed as potential Bloomberg supporters. Bloomberg has enough money to finance a comeback. He seems to understand what went wrong in Nevada and can be expected to improve his performance next time. He was a good mayor. He should defend stop-and-frisk and the rest of his record. If he continues to apologize for it, what selling point does he have? "Vote for me. I have a pile of money"? Or even worse, "Vote for me. Some of Bernie's supporters are rude."<br/>Everyone noticed Warren's slash and burn performance. If she still wanted the nomination, she would focus on Bernie. But instead she attacks Bloomberg. This makes sense only if she has given up on the nomination and is staying in the race to be Bernie's running mate or secretary of state. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 19:20, 20 February 2020 (EST)
::RobS says blacks won't vote for Warren. This could spell more defections. If so, we needn't bother looking up the demographics, since although blacks make up 25% of the Democratic primary, if the undecided ''non''-participants who might vote Trump in the general election are swayed toward the larger half of the expected range (about 30%), it will be enough to swing the election to Trump without counting new defections. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 19:52, 20 February 2020 (EST)
:::That was some debate. Bloomberg "brought his wallet to a knife fight," as the pundits are saying. Take a look at what it did to [https://www.realclearpolitics.com/elections/betting_odds/democratic_2020_nomination/ the odds]. Sanders soared from 40 percent to 51 percent. Bloomberg dropped from 32 percent to 22 percent. Warren jumped from 2 percent to 4 percent. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 20:44, 20 February 2020 (EST)
::::A lot more people are going to see Bloomberg's adverts than the debate. Bloomberg better work with some debate coaches before the February 25, 2020 debate. He needs to be less of a mini Mike in the debates and more of a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJvM8eYcpL0 Mighty Mouse].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
:::::As long as Elizabeth Warren is in the race and at the debates, Michael Bloomberg will probably receive beatdowns. Bloomberg's past gives her a lot of ammunition. And given his attitude/personality and the amount of time left in the debate schedule, he probably will not become a much better debater in order to be spared beatdowns.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:56, 21 February 2020 (EST)
::::::The only hope for the remnants of alleged Democrat "moderates" now is Klo-butcher. Nevada is a caucus state. Klo-butcher is heir of Minneapolis Mayor Donald Frazier (of the [[McGovern-Fraser Commission]]) who saved the caucus system in primary elections (Minnesota is a caucus state). If Klo-butcher can't unify the Biden/Bootyboy/Bloomberg/Steyer elements behind her in the Nevada Caucuses to Stop Bernie, my fear is the elitist Democrat Superdelegates will use this failure to do away with the caucus system completely in future elections. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:44, 21 February 2020 (EST)
In unrelated news, the FBI has informed Bernie Sanders they are investigating possible covert Russian support for his presidential campaign. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 18:43, 21 February 2020 (EST)
:Oh, so the FBI changed its policy about publicly commenting on national security counterintelligence investigations. I must have missed that news item. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:28, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::No, they just ''maintained'' their policy about ''secretly'' commenting on national security counter-intelligence investigations. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 03:48, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::It's a combination of two things: a tainted briefing by deep staters in the IC to Schiff's committee, then leaked by Schiff's staff with added spin for maximum effect.
:::The reason for this is simple: leaks of classified information from on oversight committee in the Legislative Branch are handled differently than internal leaks from the Executive Branch. It's a separation of powers issue; Legislative Branch officials are not necessarily bound by the same rules as Executive Branch officials are. Executive Branch leak investigators do not have the same authority to investigate congressional staff that they have in Executive Branch agencies. The result of classified Executive Branch material from Legislative Branch staffers can be quite sensational news headlines for ''Wapo'' and ''NYT'' with little or no follow-up investigation of its source . [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:22, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::Let's call it, "the legislative branch loophole". Misconduct by employees of the legislative branch are investigated by the Capital Police. The FBI must ask for permission or be invited in by the legislative branch to investigate a legislative branch employee.
:::Now, if a staffer leaks classified Executive branch material on the instructions of a Member of Congress, he or she has the protection of that member (See [[James Wolfe indictment]]). Even with overwhelming [[probable cause]] evidence the FBI/DOJ may have, prosecuting a Member of Congress for the mishandling of classified information obtained by the congressional oversight process, it leads to a constitutional [[separation of powers]] issue and potential crisis. This was case in the leaked Carter Page FISA application that gave birth to the Mueller investigation. Some of these issues were revisited in claims of [[Executive Privilege]] during the [[impeachment sham]]. Now Schiff and his deep states allies in the Executive Branch are playing the same game, again, with the "Russia favors Bernie" narrative. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:40, 24 February 2020 (EST)
== The left is at risk of losing a ton of power around the world ==
At no point in my life have I ever seen the left at risk of losing so much power.
Trump will probably be re-elected. He will probably shift the SCOTUS even further right which would be a disaster for the left in the USA.
Bernie Sanders will lose much of his power when he is not elected to be POTUS.
Macron probably will not be re-elected and Germany is shifting to the right.
Even the communists in China risk losing power due to their mishandling of the coronavirus crisis.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:28, 22 February 2020 (EST)
:We need to maintain the proper perspective. People ask, "''What has happened to the Democrat party since Obama left office?''" That's not the right question. It was Obama who destroyed the Democrat party. Like Bernie and AOC, Obama was a [[subversive]] infiltrator since the day he entered politics in the 1990s, seeking to destroy the Democrat party and replace it with single party socialism. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 07:58, 22 February 2020 (EST)
::Left of center organizations and moderate/conservative organization that are not careful about being infiltrated have a tendency to move leftward. For decades the Democrats have been creeping leftward. It is all a part of holding the ideologies of progressivism and/or evolutionism. Like Obama's view of homosexuality "evolved".
::But with right-wing populism growing in the world, we are going to see more and more center and left of center organizations adopt more right-wing views. Often people don't like to be in the political wilderness with zero power.
::If Obama did not come around, another person like him would have come around. Although Donald Trump might have ADHD to a certain extent, he is smarter than Obama overall and he is definitely more astute when it comes to business/economics. But Obama was articulate and he has a "racial shield" so some people were afraid to attack him. So he did get some things through, and he did manage to get some left leaning SCOTUS judges. So Obama did pave the way for Sanders.
::But ultimately, Obama the progressive quickly shifted and his fundraising included big banks, etc. And he did the too big to fail corporate bailouts. Obama was a hypocritical politician who ultimately embraced neo-liberalism. And with the exception of ObamaCare and the SCOTUS judges, much of what he did is being erased by Trump. If Obama did not mock Trump at the correspondents dinner, maybe Trump would not have run in 2016. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:02, 22 February 2020 (EST)
:::IMO, [[Bathhouse Barry]] and his transgender partner came in office 2009 having been "gay married" nearly 20 years earlier; his position "evolved" in his second term when won a mandate, stacked enough courts, and planted enough county registrars to come out of the closet. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 18:07, 22 February 2020 (EST)
::::I will tell you the same thing I told a friend of mine: Michelle Obama is a woman who had children. There is plenty to criticize about Barack/Michelle Obama about, calling Michelle a man/transgender is ridiculous.
::::Partisanship can warp people's thinking and the Michelle Obama is man/transgender notion is a prime example.
::::However, I would still like to have a document expert examine Barack Obama's long-form birth certificate! Given all the complicated tax forms and thick government regulations, just on that principle alone, Obama should have had to jump through that hoop given his love of the administrative state and big government![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:14, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:::::Looks like we gotta start the Obama body count article soon. [https://twitter.com/DocWashburn/status/1231234030378659841] [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:01, 23 February 2020 (EST)
== Berniementum vs. Sleepy Joe Biden ==
[[Bernie Sanders]] decisively won the Nevada cause in the Democrat presidential primary. This probably shows he has momentum now.
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If [[Joe Biden]] had more humility and if his friends and family really cared enough about him to tell him unpleasant truths, Joe Biden would recognize he is not as mentally sharp as he used to be and should not be president of the United States. This is a sad state of affairs for Joe Biden.
Berniementum is going to hit Biden's presidential, Democratic primary candidacy like a runaway train by Super Tuesday or earlier. By that time, it might be too late for the more moderate Democrat presidential candidates to have a shot at winning the Democratic, presidential primary.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:45, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:RobS said black voters could ''revive Biden's corpse'' in South Carolina! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 06:03, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:Syllogisms (deductions by analogies):
::Premise: Nixon caused George McGovern to be his Democratic opponent.
::Analogy: Nixon is to George McGovern as Trump is to Bernie.
::Therefore Trump will try to make Bernie his Democratic opponent.
::Q.E.D.
::Premise: Sometimes a young branch flourishes from the root of a wilted tree.
::Analogy: The Joe Biden campaign is to wilted tree as young branch is to South Carolina victory.
::Therefore a South Carolina victory may flourish from the Joe Biden campaign.
::Premise 2: Yet, when a young branch flourishes from the root of a wilted tree, it may only hasten the demise of the wilted tree.
::Same analogy
::Therefore a South Carolina victory may only hasten the demise of the presidential campaign of Joe Biden.
::Q.E.D.
:[[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Sunday, 06:33, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::Two points:
::1. Joe Biden's South Carolina firewall may not hold.[https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/02/23/joe-bidens-south-carolina-firewall-is-on-fire/][https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/02/21/nation/south-carolina-is-supposed-be-joe-bidens-firewall-hows-that-going-these-days/][https://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-south-carolina-still-joe-bidens-firewall/][https://www.foxnews.com/politics/black-support-for-biden-plunges-according-to-latest-poll][https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/15/joe-biden-south-carolina-firewall-114862]
::2. Even if Biden's firewall does hold, he is broke and a narrow South Carolina win may not be enough to obtain the necessary fundraising to compete on Super Tuesday - especially if Michael Bloomberg stubbornly sticks in the race and floods the zone with political advertising.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:34, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:::Whites are the majority in the nation still. Given intermarriage, many Latinos self-identify as being White. The growth of Latinos has diluted the political strength of Blacks. There are Blacks who recognize their weakened position and some argue that if Biden can't even win the White vote, why should they support him anymore?
:::The amount of Blacks supporting Trump and leaving the Democratic Party has grown since 2016.
:::Bernie Sanders is doing better with Latinos and Blacks now.
:::RobS was wrong about the Black politician [[Kamala Harris]] being a formidable contender. She wasn't a formidable contender and has dropped out of the race. I was right that Harris didn't have the necessary likeability - especially given her former prosecutor past.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:47, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::::As to Harris, DNC General Counsel and the middle man between Clinton and Christopher Steele, [[Marc Elias]], was running Harris' campaign until November. In plain English that means, Harris was the DNC's official pick in 2019. When Elias quit, Harris quit. Elias was the bag man for the DNC who paid FusionGPS for the ''Steele dossier''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:55, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::::Bernie has "momentum"? Yes, in fracturing the Democrat party. Look at [[Chris Matthews]]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:25, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:::::Bernie Sanders now is similar to Donald Trump in his primary in 2016 in that Trump had a fractured opposition except for the insufficiently likeable Ted Cruz. Elizabeth Warren is even more unlikeable than Ted Cruz though.
:::::One of the big differences is the Bernie Sanders is unlikely to be elected whereas Donald Trump at least had a decent chance to win given the unlikeability and incompetence of Hillary Clinton.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 16:31, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::::::Bernie was less than enthused to hear that he was Putin's choice from our beloved counterintelligence organs. The headline should read, '''Putin Wins Big in Nevada.''' And again, you have to look at participant rates to gauge momentum. Sanders isn't creating new voters; he's retaining loyalists from the machine he built 4 years ago and picking up a few regular Democrats. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:37, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::::::::Warren is toast. So is Biden, Klobuchar, and Steyer. There is a remaining contest between Buttigieg and Bloomberg, to see if Bloomberg can recover from ihs flopped entrance and pick up a few stragglers from Biden, Warren, etc. in the next two weeks. It's a two man race between Bernie and either Bootyboy or Bloomberg. Bloomberg has more money than Bootyboy. Most handicappers give the edge to Bootyboy, but the official [[Stop Bernie]] movement is behind Bloomberg. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:45, 23 February 2020 (EST)
Buttigieg was just a virtue signal nominee who never had a chance of winning. Many blacks are religious and don't agree with homosexuality. He was propped up in the beginning by homosexuals with extra cash because they have no children. And now he is funded by wealthy people in an age of populism. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:21, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:After Super Tuesday, it's a two man race between the frontrunner and a challenger. The contest right now is ''who will be the challenger'', either Buttigieg, the people's choice, or Bloomberg, the establishment choice. The establishment wants to Stop Bernie with Bloomberg. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:42, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::Elizabeth Warren knows she cannot win and she is not going to attack Bernie Sanders. Maybe she is hoping to be a SCOTUS judge of Bernie. And nobody else is going to land a knockout punch against Bernie. So Michael Bloomsberg has to knockout Bernie Sanders in the debate and defend himself against the machine gun fire of Elizabeth Warren. And let's face it, Bloomsburg has so much heavy baggage that he is a target rich debate opponent.
::On top of this Michael Bloomsberg has to tranform himself in a very short amount of time into a great debater. I have 6 words for Michael Bloomberg that are taken from a movie: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izxkFm060yU I wish you had more time].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:37, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:::Warren is toast. To remain on the cutting edge, we shouldn't even be talking about her on MPR, or any other loser (Biden, Klobuchar, etc.) We should keep the public focused on the Sanders/Bootyboy/Bloomberg contest. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:46, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::::The nomination is already a one-man race. We don't need to cover any Democrat except Sanders. Hillary hates the guy, but her reasons are purely personal. She wants revenge because Bernie ran against her in 2016. Her supporters control much of the media, but that won't last. You don't go wrong with the grassroots by being the most left wing Democrat in the race. The media's hostility doesn't echo with primary voters, who don't care whether or not the candidate is a woman. If you did care, who would you vote for at this point? Bloomberg the only candidate who's got the money to challenge Sanders in the Super Tuesday primaries on March 3. Tuesday's debate is his last chance to come out swinging at Sanders. It's not going to happen. He understands that he won't be the nominee. Like Warren, he will play nice in the hope of being rewarded with a cabinet position or other consolation prize. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:06, 23 February 2020 (EST)
::::::No way. I was told Biden would be out by South Carolina, and now look at him go! I'm willing to concede ''one'' candidate since you insist that you ''must'' be able to say how ''cool'' you were to have seen past the momentary conflicts to the big picture ''ahead'' of time: Tulsi Gabbard.
::::::Tell me this: what if Biden wins big in South Carolina, gets whipped around like a slingshot toward Super Tuesday and he uses the momentum to score big as the underdog favorite? You'll have egg on your face trying to discuss the results, and worse, you had to put Conservapedia's reputation at risk to be a big shot. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 16:57, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::::::You may be right. Sanders' Castro gaffe, and Bloomy's inability to gain traction may have breathed life into Biden's Florida bid. Assuming Biden can win enough delegates to remain competitive after Super Tuesday and Florida, the question becomes can he make it to the convention without a heart-lung machine and respirator? The contest is becoming which geriatric can live the longest, Bernie, Biden, Bloomy or Warren? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:35, 28 February 2020 (EST)
:::::You're leaving out the [[Superdelegate]] wildcard. If Sanders has only a plurality going into the convention, Superdelegates come into play. Additionally, if Bloomberg gains some footing in SC and Super Tuesday (anticipating Warren and Klobuchar's imminent withdrawls), the DNC may rig the rules to allow Superdelegates to vote on the first round. Whether the DNC would rig the Superdelegates for Buttigieg to Stop Bernie is debatable, but I think unlikely. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 21:58, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:::::Pokeria raises an excellent point: the leftwing base is realizing that media crap spoon fed from MSNBC, ''WaPo'', ''et al'' is unmitigated garbage - which not only exonerates Trump over the past four years but works to Trump's advantage now in 2020. We should not miss a beat in highlighting Sanders people criticizing Trump critics, like Chris Matthews, MSNBC, WaPo, the DNC, etc. etc. etc. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 22:16, 23 February 2020 (EST)
The more successful Joe Biden is in the South Carolina primary, the more likely a contested convention will be. That might be a disaster for Democrats and cause bitter feelings.
Each Democratic candidate has major weaknesses. It looks like a Trumpslide in 2020. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:54, 23 February 2020 (EST)
:SC is a test of Bernie's momentum - can he get SC blacks to join in a bandwagon effect. It's not so much a question of how much will Biden win by, but how much Sanders can divide the black base. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:16, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::What I learned about the Black vote is that because they are a racial minority (race is a big predictor of people's votes still) they tend to be pragmatic surfers who want to catch the wave of voter sentiment so they can get the spoils of backing a winner. Kamala Harris would have been more of a trailblazer vote than a pragmatic surfer vote. Trump has shown he does things for the Black segment of society (jobs, prison reform, tax policies to create zones that foster economic activity in poor urban areas and increasing support to Black colleges) and a sizable portion of the population believe Trump is going to win. Hence, Trump is peeling off more Black votes.
::From what I have heard, if Trump and the GOP manages to get 15% of the Black vote, the Democrats will be in the political wilderness for a very significant period of time.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 07:32, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::Blacks are very practical coalition builders. They may view Sanders as least racist. There is no emotional attachment to Biden - there may be an emotional attachment to Obama and the Democrat party that attaches itself to Biden bu no to him personally. Klobzilla, and the timing of this is quite curious, was outed as a racist by BLM & the NAACP. Warren cannot undo the damage of stealing affirmative action programs and its insulting to Blacks to think they are too stupid to see it. Bloomy and Bootyboy are DOA on Black's doorstep.
:::So Blacks see Sanders for who he is - a self-hating Jew who lied about his participation in the civil rights movement, Like Obama, Sanders wants to continue destruction of the Democrat party.
:::Trump's appeal is largely to working age male blacks. So the phenomena within the black community right now is debate over ending their collectivist mentality vs. individual rights, opportunity, and achievement. A classic Bernie vs. Trump scenario. Apathy and defections weigh in Trump's favor. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:29, 24 February 2020 (EST)
==Trump arrives in India==
Apparently Trump has more on his mind to worry about than just jet lag.
I had expected this trip to be a normal diplomatic excursion, but the ''New York Times'' opinion page has concluded that Trump is going to India to "find himself", so watch and see if at some point he bows down to some Hindu gods.
There's nothing like encouraging intelligent foreign-policy debate, that ''normally'' requires a degree of mental concentration, by flavoring Americans' perceptions of their President's overseas visit to advance their nation's priorities and the two nations' collaborations with each other with the hesitancy that comes from the prospect that 1. not only may he be about to convert, but 2. as a consequence of the fact that he's even ''contemplating'' such a strange and fundamental religious reversal, should we pay attention, we may become unwilling (okay, ''ex hypothesis'' some would be eager) witnesses fixated in watching him violate any number of primitive religious taboos and end up dividing masses of religious adherents on both sides of the world.
Although useful as dazzle camouflage to render Democratic presidential candidates' outrageous suggestions to appeal to primary voters seem less wild, we don't think our subsequent reports speculating further on Trump's inner conflict and the expressions of which that we anticipate will occur will actually cause a rift between the United States and India. But we probably ought to quickly import a lot more diversity immigrants from them just in case we need them to aid in healing and reconciliation, preferably H1B workers—and you thought there was going to be a downside to this! [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 03:35, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:I doubt Trump is going to "find himself" or is contemplating Hinduism. Trump is probably attracted to religion that focuses on material prosperity and he attended Normal Vincent Peale's church as a young man. Peale was known for the power of positive thinking.
:Trump is going to India for trade and also for national security reasons given the rise of China's navy.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:32, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::Vargas raises a good question. Does India qualify as a sh1thole country? It's got a screwed up environment and screwed up laws, but its people are highly educated and speak English. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:15, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::I was satirizing the left-wing media's use of calculated phrases to try to separate Trump from his supporters by taking one of their phrases literally to the logical conclusions of what the author of the phrase was trying to insert in our subconscious minds.
:::It was on a news story on Trump's appearance on ''Saturday Night Live'' that I first read that those trying to satirize him mentioned how he was an extremely positive person. Trump's presidency is quite the testament to Peale's ideas and practices.
:::And Rob, you mean "its people who immigrate to America" are highly educated. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 10:35, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::::[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eicVr8fgGlY&feature=youtu.be Trump's arrival in India]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 11:04, 24 February 2020 (EST)
== A pro-human Greta? ==
If nothing else, German teenager Naomi Seibt is prettier than the anti-human Swede Greta Thunberg. See "[https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/02/23/meet-anti-greta-young-youtuber-campaigning-against-climate-alarmism/ Meet the anti-Greta: A young YouTuber campaigning against ‘climate alarmism’]." If global warming doesn't kill us, surely overpopulation or robot revolt will. In the liberal worldview, there are just too many ways for humanity to be wiped out to even hope for survival. So what's all the hysteria about? In the gospel according to Greta, we must lower carbon emissions, not so much because there is a chance of saving our worthless lives or civilization, but to punish humanity for our crimes against the planet. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 06:15, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:That's not true. I mean: it makes liberals look bad. Did I say that out loud? I'm so confused. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 06:31, 24 February 2020 (EST)
== Donald Trump's 2020 electability vs. coronavirus ==
Presidents who have a robust economy do better in elections.
The Dow just dropped 1,000 points due to coronavirus fears.[https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/stock-market-news-today-major-indexes-plunge-on-coronavirus-fear-2020-2-1028932093]
South Korea, Italy and Iran are now are beginning to significant coronavirus problems.[https://www.foxnews.com/health/global-outbreak-causes-pandemic-fears-after-cases-jump-in-italy-and-south-korea]. The coronavirus could turn into a pandemic and the USA has a border with Mexico that is not as secure as it could be. In addition, the USA has had a lot of immigrants who travel abroad to visit family. And then there is business travel and tourism. A coronavirus pandemic could hit the USA before the 2020 election, but hopefully the upcoming spring/summer season will slow it down.
I thought a recent Black Pidgeon Speaks video on the implications of the coronavirus was probably unwarranted that was titled [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9thSfBVhQs Trump DEFEATED in 2020 by #WuFlu Black Swan Event?], but now I am not so sure. But my guess is that the Democratic primary race is going to end in a train wreck and Trump will win in 2020.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 10:44, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:Why did the [[Deep State]] import the coronavirus to Nebraska, a red state, without Trump's authorization? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 10:51, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::The coronavirus has grown in mainland China by about 0.5% a day for the past three days. The lethality rate has been reduced from 15% to 10% [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 12:10, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::That's if you trust the underlying aggregate numbers from the CCP, WHO, and CDC. Unfortunately , the CCP, WHO, and CDC have already destroyed any confidence outside experts and the public have in their reporting.
:::The increases are largely credited to different screening methods and and changes in statistical methodology. According to the CDC's reporting, their numbers make no sense - either before or after evacuees were repatriated to the US.
:::Then there is the reported phenomena of the virus occurring in areas outside China among people who had no contact with visitors from China. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 12:55, 24 February 2020 (EST)
"And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and <big>'''pestilences'''</big>, and earthquakes, in divers places. All these are the beginning of sorrows." - Matthew 24:3-8
The name Trump! It has an end times ring to it. Like the word trumpet![[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:38, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:You guys need to accept that the lion's share of the cases are in China, the cases are not growing and the cases are already 40% cured. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 18:53, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::Huh? Where do you get your info from. Italy has mass quarantine sites, Iran reports a 20% fatality rate, and South Korea is in the midst of an outbreak. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 19:04, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::You are not parsing my sentence right. I'll have more information in a couple of hours. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 19:32, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::It's 7am in China, 500 new cases in the past 24 hours, 9% cumulative fatality rate. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 20:05, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::::[https://covid19info.live/ This seems to be the central clearinghouse for data]. These are the [https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-in-us.html CDC numbers which don't add] up with other public information; for instance, NBC reported just this evening the official number was up to 35. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 21:22, 24 February 2020 (EST)
The Chinese leaders are godless communists, somewhat incompetent and China is a big country. Don't trust their coronavirus stats. There are indications that the Chinese numbers are fake. See: [http://voxday.blogspot.com/2020/02/the-numbers-are-fake.html The numbers are fake].[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 22:27, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:Oh, G-d. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Monday, 23:15, 24 February 2020 (EST)
::The wonders of science, huh? After scientists leak the 'novel' virus from a lab (according to the [[CCP]]), scientists accumulate scientific data by counting the number deaths from reported infections (reported infections determined by a statistical methodology that was changed weeks into the pandemic) from test kits which either do not exist or scientific technicians haven't been trained to use, to determine a fatality rate.
::Thank God we have our best scientific minds looking for solutions, huh? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:33, 24 February 2020 (EST)
:::We get it. They created it, they had a rough start. It could even blow up again. But media-influencers, please don't "help" things by making political hay when a volatile communist regime is trying to manage a delicate crisis that dwarfs Chernobyl. Trump is leading the way on that. He offered an implied deal with the Chinese: concentrate all your efforts on fixing it, and I won't criticize you. They likely took up the deal, because they have now learned from Trump the first deal is the best deal. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 00:26, 25 February 2020 (EST)
::::I agree. And it's a fine line avoiding fueling a panic. Unfortunately for the communist liberal media, and Trump-hating globalists, nobody believes media and federal government bureaucrats anymore. It looks like just another effort to kill off red state America while New York, Hollywood, and DC elitists (who worship at the altar of science) continue living the high life. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 00:36, 25 February 2020 (EST)
:::::Thank you. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 00:40, 25 February 2020 (EST)
:China has a big problem on its hands. Now we have [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2-h-GPq1YY reports of people being cremated who aren't dead yet]. Can it be 'scientifically' debunked? even if its not true, what difference does that make to 800 million people who fear being arrested and cremated alive for spreading rumors? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 01:52, 25 February 2020 (EST)
::That report sounds too politically convenient. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 14:33, 25 February 2020 (EST)
::There have been reports of mediaeval-style quarantines and other types of excessive force to contain the spread of the virus as well. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 14:44, 25 February 2020 (EST)
:::It sort of doesn't matter if its true or not, if people ''believe'' it to be true.
:::Here's another problem for ''both'' the CCP ''and'' the WHO: governments should want sick people to voluntarily come forward. Their actions thus far discourage that from happening. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:47, 25 February 2020 (EST)
:::Who, in 1943 and 1944, believed the rumors of Germans shipping by rail people to gas chambers and extermination camps? We're experiencing right now how government officials, media, and the public reacted then to first hand accounts we're receiving from Wuhan now. No one believed the truth or reality until it was over. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 14:51, 25 February 2020 (EST)
::::In 1943-1944, the fake stories of World War I German atrocities in Belgium were very much on people's minds. [[User:PeterKa|PeterKa]] ([[User talk:PeterKa|talk]]) 21:28, 26 February 2020 (EST)
::::The people of China probably don't know a lot about government action since China doesn't have a free press.
::::So how would they believe it to be true?
::::And if they DID know about government actions, they would know about those alleged larger government atrocities.
::::So they'll come forward, one way or another, and, once the disease is eradicated, China will have no motive for atrocities. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 18:15, 25 February 2020 (EST)
:::::The people aren't ignorant. They have a whole system to communicate outside official media, which no one believes anyway. A journalist, Chen Qushi, who was reporting on conditions in Wuhan disappeared a few weeks ago, [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/coronavirus-outspoken-chinese-lawyer-critical-government-missing-wuhan-family-says-n1133826 according to NBC]. He reported on the situation and criticized the CCP. He claims cab drivers are the best source of news. The way he describes it, this is the system all over China. That actually is what lends credence to the woman's cremation story in the above video - it occurs in a taxi cab.
:::::In [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AI3R41dGnU this 25 minute report] Qushi describes how cab drivers are the main news source, among other subjects. Watch at least the final two minutes, if you can. It's heart-wrenching. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 02:38, 26 February 2020 (EST)
====Coronavirus update====
It's 9am in China: 400 new cases overnight; (7am - 7am), 40% of cases cured, 8% overall fatality rate. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Tuesday, 22:36, 25 February 2020 (EST)
Wed Feb 25-26 (7am-7am): 450 new cases, 45% of cases cured, 8% overall fatality rate.
Thu Feb 26-27 (7am-7am): 300 new cases, 50% of cases cured, 7% overall fatality rate.
Fri Feb 27-28 (7am-7am): 400 new cases, 55% of cases cured, 6% overall fatality rate.
Sat Feb 28-29 (7am-7am): 550 new cases, 55% of cases cured, 6% overall fatality rate.
Sun Feb 29-Mar 1 (7am-7am): 200 new cases, 60% of cases cured, 5% overall fatality rate.
Mon Mar 1-2 (7am-7am): 150 new cases, 60% of cases cured, 5% overall fatality rate.
Tue Mar 2-3 (7am-7am): 119 new cases, 60% of cases cured, 5% overall fatality rate.
Wed Mar 3-4 (7am-7am): 139 new cases, 65% of cases cured, 5% overall fatality rate.
Thu Mar 4-5 (7am-7am): 143 new cases, 65% of cases cured, 5% overall fatality rate.
:Note: China has not limited itself to posting data once every 24 hours; they have sporadically posted data more than once a day at irregular intervals. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 02:16, 26 February 2020 (EST)
:Note: some of these aren't total "cures" but just recoveries. Because if coronavirus reaches its severe stages it can cause severe long-term lung damage. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Friday, 08:40, 28 February 2020 (EST)
:*[https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2020/02/25/odd-coincidence-rogue-cdc-official-pushing-coronavirus-panic-button-is-rod-rosensteins-sister/ Rogue CDC Official Pushing Coronavirus Panic Button is Rod Rosenstein’s Sister]. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 13:19, 26 February 2020 (EST)
:::If the coronavirus is not a type of virus that gets dramatically lower in Spring/Summer, Italy shows that it could get into the USA. If Mexico is hit hard with coronavirus, the porous border might insure it gets into the USA.
:::America has an obesity problem and an aging population which makes it easier for the coronavirus to spread and be more lethal.
:::On top of this, there are a lot of Italian-Americans who visit Italy or have their relatives visit the USA. The same is true of Korean-Americans in terms of visiting South Korean or having South Korean visitors. An Italy or South Korea travel ban into the USA would be unpopular and I doubt the Trump administration is eager to do this in an election year.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:05, 26 February 2020 (EST)
::::CDC has already mishandled the numbers, and feds have bumbled transport and housing of infected persons. The WHO is corrupt and useless, and Google censorship isn't helping, either. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 16:59, 26 February 2020 (EST)
:::::China should have learned from SARs and fixed its wild animal markets situation. But culture often changes slow unfortunately. On top of this China's government mishandled the critical early stages of the problem plus has has a population that is overweight, aging and have a gender imbalance (men hit harder by coronavirus)[https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2020/02/25/men-coronavirus].
:::::Atheistic/leftist lifestyles/ideology definitely played a role. See: [[Atheism and leadership]] and [[Atheism and foolishness]] and [[Atheism and obesity]] and [[Atheism and health]] and [[Global atheism and aging populations]] and [[Atheism and women]] and [[Abortion and atheism]] and [[Dietary practices of atheists]][[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 17:23, 26 February 2020 (EST)
::::::IMO, what is happening now is, China is faking that they have a handle on the problem in order to reopen factories becuz of the economic damage done just over the past 6 weeks. I'd expect more outbreaks in China in coming weeks as the outbreaks occur globally now, albeit Chinese outbreaks won't get the central media play they've had thus far. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 17:34, 26 February 2020 (EST)
The coronavirus situation has made China weaker going into phase 2 of the USA-China trade deal. It also weakens China centered globalism and the progress of their road and belt initiative. It also weakens the power of the communist party in China.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:25, 26 February 2020 (EST)
:I was at the Dollar store today. The shelves are half empty. What costs a dollar today will be $3-$6 in few weeks or months. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|De Plorabus Unum]]</sup> 23:43, 26 February 2020 (EST)
::The earth is a Corona virus for a much larger living being beyond our comprehension. Now that I think about it, I still think sharing is good, but there are probably some things where it would be better if I kept them to myself. [[User:VargasMilan|VargasMilan]] ([[User talk:VargasMilan|talk]]) Thursday, 00:30, 27 February 2020 (EST)